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I realize Mexicans are not South Americans but the corruption that infects Mexico is very much the same as in South America.

 

Secondly, whether they shoot them or not is besides the point. I don't care what they are doing to the Mexicans as it is a frivilous waste of time anyways.

 

Thirdly, we will not agree on whether or not the US had accepted the role. No one has ever forced anything on the United States. They have often helped in times of crisis in order to profit themselves, I am not blaming the US for that it is just a fact. America has fought many battles for many different countries and many different reasons, none have been because United States allies have had a gun to their heads.

 

Lastly, in South America corruption is rampant. For years South Americans/Central Americans have been migrating to North America.

Interesting....

 

What else can you tell me about South American socioeconomics and "mass migration" to the US. :shifty:

 

 

**The Peruvian guy and member of the Latin American Cultural Union sits back with a curious look on his face.**

 

;)

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we do, and they need an economy they dont need aid. The majority of their people of working age leave their country. One of the best things the US could do is close the southern border and force them to build their own business, their own economy in THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

 

And Chop, there are a decent amount of illegal south americans in the US but from what I can tell they come legally and overstay their visas.

:shifty:

 

Close the border?

 

I enjoyed my visit to Mexico.....I can't go there?

 

I drove.

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Don't make no difference....If they are here illegal.

Need to be sent back where they came from...

It does not make a difference in whether or not they should be sent back, but it makes a huge difference in whether or not that accusation is true, and it isn't.
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Interesting....

 

What else can you tell me about South American socioeconomics and "mass migration" to the US. :shifty:

 

 

**The Peruvian guy and member of the Latin American Cultural Union sits back with a curious look on his face.**

 

;)

If there isn't a mass migration then why is there so many illegals in the United States? They are not all just Mexicans either; many Colombians, Peruvians, and Brazilians also make an attempt into the US every year.
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If there isn't a mass migration then why is there so many illegals in the United States? They are not all just Mexicans either; many Colombians, Peruvians, and Brazilians also make an attempt into the US every year.

Really? :lol:

 

How many Peruvians, Brazilians, and Colombians do you know? And how many of them are illegal?

 

I don't see any mass migration from South America at all.

 

Much of my family is there and they are quite content to stay there. I have family in sevral countries in South America.

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OK.

 

But honestly...how closed is closed?

 

closed as in really, really, really closed. as in it takes literally months and months and months to come to this country. as in CLOSED.

 

and guru, my bad, didnt read the entire thing, thought we were just talkin about people who sneak in to america in general, not from a certain region or country, just in general.

 

oops.

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my god dont forget the cubans

Cuba is a specifically different case I think. The "dry feet" policy is a problem.

 

Castro already opened the prisons and asylums and sent them to the US before.

 

I consider that an actual attack on our sovereign border. That's a bit different than migration.

 

That policy needs to end. I know people who came that way, and I am not too shy to tell them that if I had my way it wouldn't happen.

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Really? :lol:

 

How many Peruvians, Brazilians, and Colombians do you know? And how many of them are illegal?

 

I don't see any mass migration from South America at all.

 

Much of my family is there and they are quite content to stay there. I have family in sevral countries in South America.

I don't live in the United States so it is really irrelevant how many people of those nationalities I know. And I didn't suggest that it was a migration of illegal immigrants, just immigrants so yet again you are bringing up irrelevant information.

 

Your family must be blessed because there is much corruption there, Pinochet in Chile is a perfect example.

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and guru, my bad, didnt read the entire thing, thought we were just talkin about people who sneak in to america in general, not from a certain region or country, just in general.

 

No worries, it is apparent that you are not the only person who hasn't read the whole thing ;) Hows it going Chop?

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I think we are just opening this up to all Spanish speaking nations in the Western Hemisphere.  ;)

might as well since the whole situation is relevant in many of the central/south and spanish speaking carribean nations. Edited by cpuguru
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closed as in really, really, really closed.  as in it takes literally months and months and months to come to this country.  as in CLOSED.

 

and guru, my bad, didnt read the entire thing, thought we were just talkin about people who sneak in to america in general, not from a certain region or country, just in general.

 

oops.

It's already that closed. It already takes months and months to get a visitors visa....and for an immigration visa? Long time, and you most likely won't get it.

 

 

So...it's already that closed.

 

Really. I think it's a matter of enforcement. It can't get much more closed than it is according to what you are advancing.

 

 

EDIT: Unless you are actually talking about better enforcement when you say closed...in which case i agree.

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I don't live in the United States so it is really irrelevant how many people of those nationalities I know. And I didn't suggest that it was a migration of illegal immigrants, just immigrants so yet again you are bringing up irrelevant information.

 

Your family must be blessed because there is much corruption there, Pinochet in Chile is a perfect example.

I think it is very relevant.

 

You did use the word illegal.

 

 

My family blessed? They get up in the morning, shower and go to work just like we do. Much nicer climate and rich culture, but other than that , they live in modern Western societies much like us.

 

I have no family in Chile. I do have family in Peru, Brazil, Argentina, and Venezuela.

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No worries, it is apparent that you are not the only person who hasn't read the whole thing ;) Hows it going Chop?

I hope you're not implying that I haven't read the whole thread. I have....several times... ;)
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I consider that an actual attack on our sovereign border.  That's a bit different than migration.

 

slams on brakes.

 

wait a minute. why is that not ALWAYS the case? if americans go sneaking into say..... iran..... arent we invading?

 

you can bet the farm dude with a swiped m16 is gonna think we are.

 

all illegal immigration should be treated this way imho.

 

and yeah, the dry feet policy, shred it, burn it, get rid of it. who thought up that ridiculos stupid rule anyway?

 

and enforcment is the ticket, it should be treated as a threat to national security. im not saying shoot unarmed women and children, but one warning to turn back should and is sufficent.

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might as well since the whole situation is relevant in many of the central/south and spanish speaking carribean nations.

Really?

 

 

Interesting how you lunp groups together.

 

So what about the numerous non-Spanish Speaking countries in the Islands and in South America?

 

What about the Portuguese speakers? What about the Papiementu speakers?

 

Just hopw do you percieve this group you are talking about? How do you perceive their respective nations?

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slams on brakes.

 

wait a minute. why is that not ALWAYS the case? if americans go sneaking into say..... iran..... arent we invading?

 

you can bet the farm dude with a swiped m16 is gonna think we are.

 

all illegal immigration should be treated this way imho.

 

and yeah, the dry feet policy, shred it, burn it, get rid of it. who thought up that ridiculos stupid rule anyway?

 

and enforcment is the ticket, it should be treated as a threat to national security. im not saying shoot unarmed women and children, but one warning to turn back should and is sufficent.

The other countries we are talking about didn't do such a thing.

 

They haven't sent their criminals and nut cases here on purpose as a manner of attacking the US.

 

I see that as quite different.

 

Illegals are a problem, but except in the case of Cuba it certainly isn't another nation officially attempting to violate our borders.

 

That can justify a military response. I don't thionk we need to attack Mexico.

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not yet at least, give it time.

Sure....I'll give it time.

 

 

I hope we don't spend too much time on the military strategy of it though....we have enough to deal with as far as the cost and logistics of the immigration problem without adding that.

 

 

 

 

I still like the idea of sending them to Europe rather than back to Mexico though.

 

It's nice over there and they are so socialist. They should enjoy helping their fellow man...no?

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Really?

 

 

Interesting how you lunp groups together.

 

So what about the numerous non-Spanish Speaking countries in the Islands and in South America?

 

What about the Portuguese speakers? What about the Papiementu speakers?

 

Just hopw do you percieve this group you are talking about? How do you perceive their respective nations?

I never said it was exlusive to those nations just relevant in them. Spanish is practically a second language in the United States, due to a massive migration to the United States. Since the Spanish speaking population in the United States is so large I just thought it would be fitting to use them as an example.
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