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If our only goal was to remove Saddam from power, we could have done it for a lot less than $200B. 

 

But my original point is being missed, we can debate what the best case scenario would have been, but what about the worst case.  I still believe that we are headed in that direction.  A civil war with no clear way out.

I agree with all that..

 

And civil wars can be very brutal indeed..we ourselves fought one back in the 1860s and it cost us about 600,000 lives. I just hope its all over soon and the Iraqi folks are better off for it.

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Our media (TV) is gearing up for a may election ...here in the UK .... Iraq is steadily being dropped in prominence in news items ....

 

Its increasingly home turf stuff .... Homeland terrorism threat ...

 

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Our politicos are now roaming the streets in packs ..... molesting punters

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For now, President Bush is keeping a lid on his anxieties.

 

Having made so much of bringing democracy to Iraq, he has no choice but to accept the result.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4266521.stm

 

The same can be said for Blair and the news out of Iraq is just about all bad.

The BBC must be under some form of pressure. There was an immense demonstration in Lebanon in support of Syria's presence and the beeb hardly mentioned it.

 

Would a change of government in the US or UK make any difference ? I don't think it would.

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Would a change of government in the US or UK make any difference ? I don't think it would.

NO... it would not.

 

That said... Syria really does need to go... let the folks living there decide who rules.

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Yep, another call for a referendum.

You have to go to the Chinese or Arab media to see the other side of the coin.

It's a mystery to me why the BBC buried this;

 

Hundreds of thousands jammed a central Beirut square Tuesday, chanting support for Syria and anti-U.S. slogans in a thundering show of strength by the militant group Hezbollah — a rally that greatly outnumbered recent demonstrations against Syria's presence in Lebanon.

 

http://en-1.ce.cn/World/big-news/200503/09...9_3273476.shtml

 

Following a nationwide call by the head of Hezbollah for a pro-Syria demonstration, 1.5 million demonstrators gathered in a central Beirut square Tuesday to counter weeks of massive rallies demanding Syrian forces leave Lebanon.

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=7326 Edited by moon
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Baffling turn of events :blink: 500,000 is quite a chunk of the population.

 

What makes Syrian occupation so popular among so many Shia Lebanese? I believe the Shia are the clear majority in Lebanon so I would have expected them to welcome the chance to having a free run at a democratically elected leadership.

 

Most odd :unsure:

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moon, the point is that Lebanon should have a choice, currently they do not due to syrian interferance and manipulation. Also the only number I have seen is 200,000

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Iraq's Shia-dominated United Iraqi Alliance and a Kurdish coalition have struck a deal that will allow a new government to be named when the National Assembly convenes next week.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/512...892F5037E9A.htm

 

 

After a brief lull, violence in Iraq has spiked again to pre-election levels, something the country's new government must address quickly, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has said

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FB0...593C2CBED5C.htm
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Iraq's new interim parliament has ended its first session without taking a vote on a new government after the parties failed to agree on its make-up.

 

 

A series of mortar attacks near the venue in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone failed to disrupt proceedings.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4352917.stm

 

 

 

 

 

 

so are they sending peace keepers yet?

Would you ?
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"If urgent steps are not taken," the study concluded, "Iraq will not become the shining beacon of democracy envisioned by the Bush administration, it will become the biggest corruption scandal in history."

 

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B20...082A2FCC58A.htm

 

Having just read about the latest Haliburton scandal I can well believe it.

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Would you ?

if it was in my job description, yes I would

 

 

how is it that Haliburton gets more media coverage than the UN which is on 10x the magnitude of Haliburton?

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Your not surprised by all of this are you?

No, but I refuse to accept it as the norm. Talking about it emphasises that it's just plain wrong, otherwise the sheer frequency of it might make it acceptable.
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No, but I refuse to accept it as the norm. Talking about it emphasises that it's just plain wrong, otherwise the sheer frequency of it might make it acceptable.

That looks like sound reasoning to me.

 

It should be applied to all such things.

 

 

The UN as well.

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how is it that Haliburton gets more media coverage than the UN which is on 10x the magnitude of Haliburton?

You must be better informed of the scale of the scandals than me. Links appreciated.

"This may be the tip of the iceberg because this is only one of their task orders, and we have nine others that we haven't had reports on," says Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

 

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7201320/

 

For sure though, they're all at it;

This report comes a week after an official investigation found that Israeli officials and ministries have been secretly diverting millions of dollars to build unauthorised Jewish outposts in the West Bank.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4350059.stm

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multi billion dollar scandle over Iraqi oil for food, Sex abuse throughout Africa, failure to act even when genocide was clear.......sounds a little bigger to me

 

 

 

the bbc link doesnt work

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BBC link works now.

 

The UN, as many peeps have often pointed out here, is the sum of its parts. It needs votes in the Security Council to take direct action so criticisms of UN inaction should be directed at the SC permanent Members, not the UN as a body.

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Violence persisted Sunday, with bodyguards for Science and Technology Minister Rashad Mandan Omar opening fire on a crowd of protesters who had gathered in front of the ministry's offices to demand their full wages, said Hamid Balasem, an engineer at the ministry.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151619,00.html

 

After all that turmoil you get shot dead over a wage dispute.

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