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Coke received your email and Stinger's and then decided to contact me directly. Particularly since at the time it was hard to find the spyware section of our site. They are actually investigating several things, and they are very willing to listen up to this point.

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Coke received your email and Stinger's and then decided to contact me directly. Particularly since at the time it was hard to find the spyware section of our site. They are actually investigating several things, and they are very willing to listen up to this point.

:cheers: Do I get to drink Coke yet?
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Do you still want us to write to Coke Rob?

Well I can tell ya this much,,I don't get any popups or scout pages from coke this time around.

 

Sure did the first time tho.

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From: "WMN Webmaster" <[email protected]>

To: "'Donna'"edit"

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:52 AM

Subject: RE:

 

 

> What advertising? We don't advertise on the Internet.

>

> Please justify this email with an explanation or we'll block you from

> all our domains for spamming.

>

> WMN Webmaster

> [email protected]

 

From http://www.doctortext.com/

 

Another from Just tires

 

This one they sent to my ISP think I was an employee

 

Please have a talk with your employees. Do not include us in these types of

spam.

 

----- Forwarded by Customer Service/NA/GDYR on 08/28/03 02:12 PM

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Ok, The replys are coming back in. Now what? The one i listed above from Dr Text has emailed again

 

Donna,

We found one of our domains on your site:  Doctortext.com.  We DO NOT

advertise with Gator, nor have we asked to be included in any Gator

advertising.  We do advertise with Overture, and apparently they have an

affiliation with Gator.  Since Overture is our sole advertising tool,

and it's extremely effective, we can't remove our advertising or we'll

go out of business.

 

Perhaps you should have contacted Overture about this matter instead of

choosing to boycott a site for something that is out its control.

 

Our legal department will be looking into this matter.

 

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This boycott list and the resulting encouraged harassment towards the companies on the list is not the way to do it. For example, we (BPVN Technologies) have stopped using Overture two weeks ago, so we can't understand how we made it into the list. Like I wrote to pcpitstop crew already, please allow me to illustrate the "unknowingly" principle. Take a look at this screenshot of pcpistop website, and look at what is advertised:

 

Over-sized Image coverted to a link by Ax

 

I believe, Donna, you sent an email to our company. How would you feel to be on the receiving end of this?

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I believe, Donna, you sent an email to our company. How would you feel to be on the receiving end of this?

Yes, You probably did get an email from me.

 

The email was stating that some websites are unknowingly associated with gator. It seems at the time data was being collected you were in business with overture, who is involved with Gator.

 

How would I feel? If I ran a website that I was unknowingly advertising gator i would want to know. Gator is a parasite that needs to be stopped and that is what we are trying to do. If your website is now not associated with Gator, then I am pretty sure you will be taken off the list.

 

Sorry for any troubles you have been caused.

 

Donna

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This is funny. I was going to post about this in a separate thread. It will take a while for the block on Gator take hold on our site. I am shocked that this could happen. Our ad network is Tribal Fusion, and TF's client is Google. That's right. Those grey boxes are being paid for by Google. So this means that Google is doing business with Gator.

 

So someone clicks on this ad, and they download eWallet, and then eWallet, using Gator's Scout, will hijack Google searches. Some at Google is not thinking!!!!!

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The point here is not to harass anyone, but to make them aware that they are directly or indirectly contributing to the spread or profit of Gator. Alex made a very good point about those Gator ads on the PC Pitstop site, and Rob has already contacted Tribal Fusion to have them removed. We want to know about these things and are glad that people are pointing it out. I also plan to contact Google Syndication to see if they're aware they are contributing to their own demise by promoting Gator. (Gator's search spy will pop up a window with Overture ads when you are at Google.)

 

Regarding DoctorText.com:

We do advertise with Overture, and apparently they have an

affiliation with Gator.  Since Overture is our sole advertising tool,

and it's extremely effective, we can't remove our advertising or we'll

go out of business. Perhaps you should have contacted Overture about this matter instead of

choosing to boycott a site for something that is out its control.

If you do not want to have Overture run your ads in Gator, why not contact Overture and tell them so? If Overture doesn't allow you that control over where your ads run, let them know you would like that option. The only way this will change is if Overture knows that their customers don't want to be forced into Gator. So there is something you can do, it is not totally out of your control.
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I tried to email The Dr Text people back. I am now on there "badmail" spam list. :(

I guess they will have to come here to read about overture.

 

On a happier note, :) I did receive a few emails asking how to find out about Overture and Gator, and that they were not aware of them being associated. I linked them to the advertisors area.

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DoctorText,

 

Are you out there? There are other options other than Overture. We have used Google Ad Words with some success. I just did a search on Google and you do not have any sponsor linked with Google. Why not work with them instead of the parasites?

 

Donna,

 

Did your email include a link to the advertisers.asp page? We are starting to learn that a lot of the heart ache can be avoided if they go straight to this page to learn more about the problem.

 

Rob

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To make contacting companies easier it would be nice if you could setup an email form that contains all the email addresses on the boycott list and the suggested letter that you posted.

 

The user can then fill in their name and email address.

They can choose to send to all recepients or selectively choose the ones they want.

User can also add to the default letter.

 

If you have something like this setup more people would contact these companies, otherwise its tiresome to keep composing and email message for each company on the list. It also is not very professional to send to multiple receipients. I though of using BCC but though that if this method existed then it would be better.

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AeroMan,

 

This is in the plan. We are going to do this but I want to work out all of the kinks in the system. I would really appreciate it if a few more people did what Donna did. It helps us find the flaws in the system before we go big time with this.

 

Donna,

 

Thanks so much. I honestly believe that we are making a difference here and I am just so pleased that we are getting so much response. A few things that I have learned already:

 

1. I think the we should change the letter to state Gator and Overture. The reality is that most people are not clicking on the advertisers link. So they are not reading about the affiliation between Gator and Overture.

 

2. I fixed all of the bounced emails. Just a few HTML errors on my part.

 

This is indeed exciting!

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Rob those gator scout popunders have more than just overture tied to them,,some have findwhat,,some have Lycos. and some I ain't figured out yet,, they are very cryptic. some make a big loop and might be related to netster??

 

Think maybe I'll go get the rest of the gator software and see if we can't speed this up abit with the gain popups. :mrgreen: v

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Yes, the entire list. except Coke, I had already emailed them.

 

Most of the responses I received today were automated, telling me a person would get back to me.

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