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So I understand how you feel since you do believe he lied, I would feel the same if I believed that.

 

Do you believe that he deliberately 'exaggerated' the WMD story to lead us into war?

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By this logic, this would give these companies the right to attack us, since we have more food than they.

 

Logicly speaking, the US more than any country in the world supplies millions of tons of food on a yearly basis (AT US TAXPAYERS EXPENSE) to ANY and all countries that need it.

 

The only problem is that when a Saddam Husein hides and stores thousands of tons of US food aid in warehouses (allowing it to rot) and allows his people to starve (60% of the IRaqi population),

 

Then the people may want to go to war to get food from the terrible US because they believe that the US promised food and never sent it.

 

Saddam tells his people that they have no food, while he watches tons of US aid rot in warehouses.

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Do you believe that he deliberately 'exaggerated' the WMD story to lead us into war?

No, in fact the strength with which he and others put the idea forth helps to convince me they believed it.

 

 

 

Had they said yadda yadda yadda, and by the way they have WMD, I would have been very suspicious.

 

 

I do believe that the media and other parties exagerated it to make the whole question of war hinge on it. Even without WMD I think they would have had about the same amount of justification for going in. After all, there are a number of countries that are known for sure to be developing WMD and that hate the US, yet we don't invade them. So it obviously does not carry much weight as a motivation to war. We have never gone to war for that reason before even when our worst enemies like the USSR developed such weapons. So I just don't think it carried much weight.

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Do you believe that he deliberately 'exaggerated' the WMD story to lead us into war?

 

NO NO NO

 

And I have not seen any documented evidence of this or any lies by GWB to this day.

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We have never gone to war for that reason before even when our worst enemies like the USSR developed such weapons. So I just don't think it carried much weight.

because Russia would have been able to fight back?

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Logicly speaking, the US more than any country in the world supplies millions of tons of food on a yearly basis (AT US TAXPAYERS EXPENSE) to ANY and all countries that need it.

 

The only problem is that when a Saddam Husein hides and stores thousands of tons of US food aid in warehouses (allowing it to rot) and allows his people to starve (60% of the IRaqi population),

 

Then the people may want to go to war to get food from the terrible US because they believe that the US promised food and never sent it.

 

Saddam tells his people that they have no food, while he watches tons of US aid rot in warehouses.

It is true that there is a huge black market in international relief supplies from the US. The amount of corruption in distrobution is tremendous.

 

 

The US produces so much food that farmers are paid to allow it to rot. We have plenty of what we need here. (including oil, we just don't want to use it)

 

 

I is easy to uderstand a starving people rising up in rebelion, just like the Barbarians against the Romans, but this really isn't what we are talking about. I will admit that misuse and abuse of foreign aid was an additional minor issue in Iraq though though.

(minor to me as a cause for a US invasion, not so minor to those who were hungry)

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because Russia would have been able to fight back?

Well then pick another country.

 

Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, (Russia already mentioned), maybe Israel, Iran, and North Korea.

 

Certain states after the break up of the USSR also had nukes.

 

We have not attacked any of those nations. How well could they fight back? OK China could throw a lot of bodies at us, but that is about all.

 

 

 

So, no, it was not because the USSR could fight back, we never wanted war with the USSR.

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The US has been and is more than willing to send as much food as is needed by ANY country in the world at any time.

 

Getting the Leaders of a country to give this food to their starving people is a whole different problem.

 

How many countries besides the US have the power,means and surplus available to feed the entire world?????

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The US has been and is more than willing to send as much food as is needed by ANY country in the world at any time.

 

Getting the Leaders of a country to give this food to their starving people is a whole different problem.

 

How many countries besides the US have the power,means and surplus available to feed the entire world?????

Let's see, we will count them......

 

 

 

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And I have never been to Atlantis, yet I am fairly certain it does not exist.

...but I am 'fairy' certain and everyone knows fairies know more stuff ;)

 

 

 

danged typos, as if I need their help to make myself look foolish :mrsgreen:

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If you can prove that GWB is a liar, then I'll prove that Tony Blair is an ALIEN from Mars. :lol:

That's a bit far fetched. We all know he is a doppleganger planted here some 15 years ago by the CIA. His real name is Dwight Hucklefeiffer and he used to be a grocery store clerk from Eerie Indiana :rolleyes:

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...but I am 'fairy' certain and everyone knows fairies know more stuff ;)

 

 

 

danged typos, as if I need their help to make myself look foolish :mrsgreen:

Yeah, I was going to grab onto that one but .........fairy comments just aren't my thing.

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That's a bit far fetched. We all know he is a doppleganger planted here some 15 years ago by the CIA. His real name is Dwight Hucklefeiffer and he used to be a grocery store clerk from Eerie Indiana  :rolleyes:

With that face you are going to try to claim he's not a Brit? :woot::woot:

 

 

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Righ then! What-ho?! Blimey!

 

 

Bloody MPs.......full of :filtered: :woot:

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You got sold on WMD and chose to look at nothing else, you have blinders on.

 

 

If you really think that WMD is the sole reason we went in there please explain to me why the United States has not attacked nations that are most definitely developing WMD and who happen to openly hate and challenge the US?

Chopdoc,

 

I am guilty as charged! I fess up. Because one of the first US combat deaths in Afghanistan was a female language specialist and my daughter is training in the exact same specialty, I was forced to get off the fence.

 

Is her life worth stopping terrorists and/or other nations from killing our people? Yes, without a doubt. Is her life, or any other for that matter, worth any amount of foreign oil? No. Not then, not now, not ever! Sooner or later we have to learn to get along without it. We have no choice nor should we.

 

If I have any blinders on, it is because when the shooting starts, it's too late to do otherwise. I am not now and was not then unaware of a host of other real and possible factors involved.

 

Re others nations and WMDs. I am sure you are aware of MAD, therefore enough said about the former USSR. As for the rest, when or if they should pose a credible direct threat to us, then I will again likely be supporting action against them no matter who is president.

 

If the president proves to be wrong, and he handles it in a fashion not unlike GWB, then I will again likely be calling for his resignation or defeat in the next election. I might feel that way no matter how he handles it.

 

I feel that it is only in the area foreign affairs that any president has the capability of ruining us. Our only real power for dealing with that is election day.

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12,

 

I almost have to think you are joking! This kind of thinking is bordering on communism, isn't it? The people with the food have a responsibility to share food with the people that don't. Instead of communism, we have something that I believe is better - capitalism. If the US had a famine, then the price of food would rise dramatically worldwide. It would be inflationary, etc etc. It would certainly would not and should not precipitate a war.

 

On the flip side, the US does not have a famine, but there are many countries (like 90% of them) that have less than us. By this logic, this would give these companies the right to attack us, since we have more food than they.

 

Lastly, this is not about oil PRICES. It is about oil PROFITS. Check out the profits and stock prices of Chevron, BP, etc. They all are enjoying record profits and record stock prices. A LOT of millionaires and billionaires are being made before our eyes.

It wasnt a joke it was a source of debate, in my opinion a country should do what ever it can in order to protect its citizens. If it doesnt then there is no reason a nation state should exist at all. The oil part was in fact a joke because I do understand exactly what is going on with the price of oil but the whole concept of protecting ones citizens is very real. If a country is ripe with famine and no aid is on the way then they should secure food in any way possible. It doesnt matter how they protect their citizens and their future. Some things must be done and sometimes this will be detrimental to another country that wasnt originally at risk.

 

Nations were created in order to protect their citizens, when this stops there is no telling what will happen.

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then why the hell am I PAYING SO :filtered:ED MUCH FOR GAS....lol

 

 

regardless, assuming it was about "oil" just for the sake of argument. Is it wrong for the US to secure a product that essentially allows the country to function? If there were famine in the US and we went to war for food would it still be a bad thing? Just curious

I don't nessicarily disagree with that mentality, but you cannot just go in and take it. I agree, if they have alot and you need alot then why should they be willing to give some up. But to go in and threaten a nations sovereignty is kind of like playing neighbourhood bully and it is unacceptable.

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why? why is it unacceptable if your citizens are at risk? This question must be answered or any argument against action is relatively weak. Though any argument for justification also becomes weak because virtually any action could then be defended, but this really is not the point.

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Yes, I know, thank you for elaborating the history. The Colonialism that France demonstrated at such an advanced stage of world development when such a thing should have been reversing is disappointing. Is that what you are getting at?

Yes. And I know the demonisation of the French is fashionable these days, but that's not what I mean to convey when I say American foreign policy would be very different now if Viet Nam had been allowed to ally itself with the US at the end of the second war.

 

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