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The problem is that Israel is an ethnic state which was created and is supported on a secular basis. But, the corrolary is that an Arab state must also be sustainable. Thus, so long as ethnithicy is viewed as a legitimate basis of statehood, Arabs and Jews will continue to slaughter each other for their full share of something which they both view as ethnically indivisible.

 

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They were meant to be condensed versions of two extremes, the point of which is this...

 

Arabs and Jews throughout history have (for the most part) been able to live in harmony side by side as brothers. However, when Palastinians are introduced into the equasion (whether it be Jews, Arabs, or any other people), violence insues. So who is the problem, the Palastinians, or the rest of the world?

The problem is the attitude towards "Palestinians". As soon as you paint a race of people with the same brush (Brits are stand-offish, Americans are brash , the french are....) you display your own prejudices.

 

The Palestinians are PEOPLE...some are willing to die for a cause, some are willing to take innocent people with them, some are poets, some are rapists, some are ignorant, some are educated - same as Iraqis, same as Americans, same as Brits...

 

..as long as you show hatred towards a race that you claim "are" murderous you show the same ignorance with which you tar that race.

 

you want a solution? Start at home, with your attitudes towarsd a race of people - look hard and notice that Palestinians are so much more..and that not all of them are violent. Then wonder how you can exploit that difference in a helpful way.

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America must act now. This blind support of war crimes is dragging down her democracy.

 

Israeli tanks fire on demonstrators.

 

The incident happened as about 3,000 demonstrators marched down the main street of Rafah towards the Tel Sultan area where Israeli raids have been concentrated in the last two days.

Dramatic TV footage of the incident showed a large explosion going off in the middle of a crowd as Israeli helicopters flew overhead firing anti-missile flares.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea...ast/3728681.stm

 

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Lets not jump to conclusions yet

 

An Israeli Apache helicopter was seen overhead, but the Israel Defense Forces said the helicopter did not target or hit the crowd

The Israeli military is investigating to determine if there were explosives in the building hit by the tank shells.

 

But an IDF officer said 20 militants were killed, and IDF Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon said nine of those killed were militants wanted by Israel.

 

Palestinian witnesses said two children were among the 20, but Israel said the two children were killed by a explosive device intended to kill Israeli troops.

I am not saying they are not to blame but there is another side

 

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Who was here first the Idigenous Or the ones who "found" America?

in·dig·e·nous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-dj-ns)

adj.

Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment

 

 

no such "human", my point anyway was that WESTERN EUROPEANS blame americans for what happened concerning this situation when in reality its their fault. They like to pass the buck when it makes them look bad.

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Quite a long link but thought it worth a read....maybe someone with a better understanding of Jewish/Arab cultures than I can clarify the differences....but thought it seemed like a good shout to me...at least an alternative proposal...The Levantine Option....just click on the article with that title ;)

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The solution is to accept the will of the vast majority of Israelis who want to withdraw. It's as simple as that. The 'Settlement Movement' is dead in the water and those who hoped to make a real estate killing are going to have to look elsewhere. Accept international law. The settlements are illegal. The occupation is illegal. Israelis themselves are sick of it.

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The solution is to accept the will of the vast majority of Israelis who want to withdraw. It's as simple as that. The 'Settlement Movement' is dead in the water and those who hoped to make a real estate killing are going to have to look elsewhere. Accept international law. The settlements are illegal. The occupation is illegal. Israelis themselves are sick of it.

and this will stop suicide bombers....I highly doubt it since every terrorist organization denies Israels right to exist at all.
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The Israeli Left is on the ascendent. They want to withdraw. We've all been listening to the hard Right for so long that we've overlooked that option.

Stop putting words in other people's mouths, it's getting REALLY old. If Israel wants to withdraw, then Israel will withdraw, all of your beating of drums isn't informing anyone of anything, people are smart enough to realize Palestine's true intentions and know that this whole Israel is committing war crimes, genocide, the occupations, ect is a load, and that's putting it mildly.

 

If you feel so strongly about the so called "autocracies" occuring in Israel, then why don't you go there and actually do something about the situation, then you'll se for yourself what's ACTUALLY going on in the region, "crying wolf" from the opposite side of the globe isn't going to influence anyone or anything.

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For a brief look at it , it looks like an extension of the de arabisation of the jewish faith , by cutting out one of the roots of Judaism , because it does not fit with the present vision of where they see that their faith is at .....and find the Arabs embarrassing at the very least ....

 

Newly converted catholics tend to be the most true to the idealised faith too...and the strictest in interpretation..

 

Bit like the Presbyterians view of high church...in the christian faith ...

 

Its a power trip with religion and bigotry forming their political policy ....... Separation of the church and state looks fairly ill defined methinks ...?

 

Still not an excuse though ...

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;) ...any views on my link on the Levantine option?... :erm:

Maybe I missed the clear and concise version of the "Levantine option," after reading the article thereare some MAJOR flaws, at least in the author's history.

 

"The modern state of Israel is composed of Sephardic Jews, Jews who emanate from Arab-Islamic lands, and Ashkenazic Jews, Jews who hail from Christian Europe."

 

For one Sephardic literally means "Spanish," and Ashkenazic means "German." This guy has his definations way off. Both Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews hail from Christian Europe and "Sephardic" has come to represent those Jews stemming from Mostly southern European and some northern African culture. Ashkenazic Jews hold the customs and cultural idenity of northern and eastern European nations.

 

Because of the stigma against all things Arab propounded by classical Zionism,"

 

Again, another incorrect defination, Zionism is in no way "Anti-Arab," it is a "Pro-Israel" socio-political movement which ultimately desires to see Israel prosper with and amoungst it's Arab neighbors. Zionists tend to be less religious, and more concerned with the "real world" and how we can be equal members of society rather than elitest Jews. People often confuse Zionists as being part of the "radical religious right," when in fact we are more progressive and reformist-modern, Zionists despise the ideologies of the Jewish and Israeli "far right" as it was the right-wing fundamentalist Jews that severely derailed the peace process in 1996 with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=zionism

 

[/b]Ideally, I'd like to see an independant Palestinian state formed somewhere in the Middle East, however I believe that it's in the world's best intrest to give them a wide berth and have geographic seperation between Israel and Palestine. Unfortunately no other Arab country will accept the Palestinian people into their country as they know their history of violence, civil unrest, and terrorism. Fate seems to not be without a keen sence of irony as it is only Israel who is willing to give up some of their OWN homeland, in hope to help found an independant Palestian nation.

 

http://www.mideastweb.org/maps.htm

 

Look at all that land, if the Arab nations would show an ounce of solidarity for their Palestinian brothers, Palestine would have it's own nation a least 10x the size of all of Israel. In the end, the Palestinian government doesn't want to have a stable nation or peaceful land for it's mostly tranquill and law obiding citizens, they want to murder Jews.

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