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Well then, all we need to do is convince the Israeli government and Z10N and we're done.  :rolleyes:

You're forgetting one major factor, that is, I'm likely the only individual here who's spend long periods of time in the region (Israel especially) and thus I know the situation first hand. I have seen terrorist attacks carried out, and I've been a member of athletic deligations to Israel when terrorist attempts against us were thwarted thanks to armed Israeli escorts.

 

The situation in Israel is one that almost everyone in the world has a strong opinion on, but one cannot truly comprehend the magnitude of the plight throughout the region until they have traveled, lived, and experienced the Holy Land in person; there is no accurate substitute.

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Way to take this otherwise interesting topic off on an irrelevant tangent. :oreo:

 

I posted personal experience and commentary, you posted inflammatory garbage, again... :choco:

 

Back to the discussion now please.

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So I guess all those protesters lived in different countries only to come over and march in Tel Aviv. But, since you went there for sporting events, you represent the majority of thinkers there. Right....

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So I guess all those protesters lived in different countries only to come over and march in Tel Aviv.  But, since you went there for sporting events, you represent the majority of thinkers there.   Right....

No, all I'm saying is that I've been there, I've seen the reality of life, and the everyday threat of being killed by some kid with a bomb strapped to his chest. People there live in fear, either from terrorism, or from reprisal, and that takes a serious toll on the human psyche. I'm saying that what the public views on TV is a very obscure version of the truth, the media's depiction of life in the region is equivilant to Hollywood's depiction of Americana through the film industry. To formulate a proper opinion or conclusion from the media's interpretation just isn't possible. Edited by Z10N
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I can understand Z10n's view. It must suck to have to worry about getting blown up at the mall. But, if your government wasn't a terrorist regime backed by the USA, and given the green light to oppress people and bring the apartheid - maybe there'd be no need for violence.

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No, all I'm saying is that I've been there, I've seen the reality of life, and the everyday threat of being killed by some kid with a bomb strapped to his chest. People there live in fear, either from terrorism, or from reprisal, and that takes a serious toll on the human psyche. I'm saying that what the public views on TV is a very obscure version of the truth, the media's depiction of life in the region is equivilant to Hollywood's depiction of Americana through the film industry. To formulate a proper opinion or conclusion from the media's interpretation just isn't possible.

Did you have water to drink whenever you wanted? Electricity? Food? Ever seen Castaway with Tom Hanks? Imagine his life on that island.... except its a real life country. You have seen one side of the paper.... maybe you should read the back?
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Did you have water to drink whenever you wanted?  Electricity?  Food?  Ever seen Castaway with Tom Hanks?  Imagine his life on that island.... except its a real life country.  You have seen one side of the paper.... maybe you should read the back?

I HAVE seen the flipside to the coin, and it isn't pretty either, it's beyond tragic that law obiding Palestinians take some of the brunt of their terrorist neighbor's actions.

 

If Israel were to resend it's boarders to those defined in 1967 and stayed completely out of any Palestinian terrortory, would the terrorist acts cease... NO, Arab nations won't quit until every "Jew is in the Med. Sea" and "their blood runs deep in the streets," and Jews world-wide have vowed "Never Again," the seeds of Armageddon have been planted, they only need to grow.

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I HAVE seen the flipside to the coin, and it isn't pretty either, it's beyond tragic that law obiding Palestinians take some of the brunt of their terrorist neighbor's actions.

Holy ish! I have just gained serious respect for you Z10N that I didn't have before.

That's a start toward peace. Israel is oppressing the Arabs in its land, but the suicide bombers are despicable scum.

How do we eliminate both crimes?

Peaceful negotiation. No more Sharon, no more Arafat.

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Those kind of conditions can turn a law biding citizen into what we see on the news.... terrorist bombers. Prevention? Start at the source. Human rights would be nice.

NO, a little SELF CONTROL must be practiced, terrorism is never an answer. If they were targeting the P.M. or the same Israeli soldiers who destroyed their homes, then I could sympathize with that, but still not condone such actions.
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NO, a little SELF CONTROL must be practiced, terrorism is never an answer. If they were targeting the P.M. or the same Israeli soldiers who destroyed their homes, then I could sympathize with that, but still not condone such actions.

True.... but the problem with self control is they have real terrorists filling their minds with more thoughts, letting them know its OK to bomb people. Its not. Its wrong. And yes for the most part, they are targeting soldiers in their area. Whens the last time a bomb went off and killed innocent civilians?
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Holy ish! I have just gained serious respect for you Z10N that I didn't have before.

That's a start toward peace. Israel is oppressing the Arabs in its land, but the suicide bombers are despicable scum.

How do we eliminate both crimes?

Peaceful negotiation. No more Sharon, no more Arafat.

No Afafat, no Sharon... I'm fine with that.

 

However that won't solve the problem, this goes much deeper than a few rotten politicians, fact is there will never be true and lasting peace in the Middle East. the quicker the world accepts this fact, the better off we'll all be, but unfortunately man kind has never learned from his actions.

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True.... but the problem with self control is they have real terrorists filling their minds with more thoughts, letting them know its OK to bomb people. Its not. Its wrong. And yes for the most part, they are targeting soldiers in their area. Whens the last time a bomb went off and killed innocent civilians?

The media doesn't report everything, in fact most incidents go un noticed by western media, because it's not "hot" or "sensational" breaking news. Horrible acts occur on a daily basis,, a select few are reported and we see on the evening news.
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I have a hard time comprehending why anyone's religious and territorial fanaticism dictate that they continually fight and kill each other, perpetuating their animosity towards one another until everyone is dead! Why do we even get in the middle of all that insanity??? :blink:

 

Why do we feel that we need to place ourselves right in the middle of their madness? -kd5-

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I have a hard time comprehending why anyone's religious and territorial fanaticism dictate that they continually fight and kill each other, perpetuating their animosity towards one another until everyone is dead!  Why do we even get in the middle of all that insanity??? :blink:

 

Why do we feel that we need to place ourselves right in the middle of their madness?       -kd5-

Because, consider the alternative... if America and Britian didn't support the Jewish State of Israel, the Hebrew people would be a nearly extinct species. With no Jews in the world, guess who's next on the "infidel death-list," Christians (I.E. Western Civilization). Edited by Z10N
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Why do we feel that we need to place ourselves right in the middle of their madness?       -kd5-

Because, consider the alternative... if America and Britian didn't support the Jewish State of Israel, the Hebrew people would be a nearly extinct species.
Well, then you must accept that the enemies of the Jewish state will hate USA and Britain for their biased support of them. Let the Hebrew people fight their own battles. They would lose bigtime without the 4 billion $ in US aid. Why can't we just have a world where the Jew and the Arab can both have their lands. Isn't Israel a land that got built from a desert? Don't we have a desert in Arizona? Why don't we just adopt the entire population of Israel and settle them in Arizona? No more need for war, and the Cardinals might get a fanbase.

Seriously, bring the Jews to America.

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Israel is a JEWISH homeland, if anyone is to be transported, it should/would be the Palestinians, but then that's the problem, no nation will harbor a known terrorist government. If Palestine's Arab bretheren (cough Saudia Arabia) woud have the decency in their "black oil" hearts to give up a small portion of their MOSTLY UNUSED Arabian Pennisula, then Palestine could/would be it's own soverign nation. Why wont they do this, simple, they'd loose precious geographics in the Jihad against Jews.

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