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out of interest...... are liberals the new redneck hate figure, now that the dastardly commies have gone capital....?

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Bruce, you belong to a union and that's perfectly fine but the majority of unions give their support to the dems.So in a way you support the dems. You're free to vote any way you want and support those that share your political views

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Bruce, you belong to a union and that's perfectly fine but the majority of unions give their support to the dems.So in a way you support the dems. You're free to vote any way you want and support those that share your political views

You could be right Joe. However folks like Ikebutt are also union members, and strong supporters of their unions, yet he claims to be not only conservative but a do or die "right wing conservative" who would never vote for a democrat.

 

Is Ike confused? Or is it possible that the labels just don't apply? :rolleyes:

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Like I said, not labeling anybody,and you can support your political views for whomever ya like to but if Ike is in a union,chances are that some of his dues are supporting the dem. party whether he like's it or not

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Shhhh nobody tell Ike!!

 

Why does everything have to be labeled??

 

My gosh vote your conscious and let the chips fall where they may!

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My gosh vote your conscious and let the chips fall where they may!

Bingo.....Core beliefs. :) But they have to fall somewhere on the spectrum, label or no label.

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Being labled a conservative doesn't bother me at all, but I do think that GWB making Iraq a democratic nation is assinine...aint never gonna happen

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Nope it is illegal to use members dues for such purposes. We have a specific Political Action Committee, and a Political Action Fund. I do not contribute to it. There are also "fundraisers" during every election year, I have contributed in the past, and have not contributed in the past.

 

In years gone by members dues may have been used for political purposes, but not any longer.

 

As I have said repeatedly, I have many views on many different things. My belief in collective bargaining agreements is but one of many.

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Bingo.....Core beliefs. :) But they have to fall somewhere on the spectrum, label or no label.

But the spectrum is vast.....

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Sorry Bruce,not familar with the operating enginerres union,The uaw is big in this part of the country and they insist that their members vote dem. which most willingly do without hesitation just cuz the union tells them to. I know lots of people that work for the big three and basically, that's what they do......

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Really they insist it? :blink:

 

How they in the world do they "enforce" such a thing? :roller:

 

Most unions do in fact highly recommend that we support a candidate who supports organized labor. They can not however insist we vote a particular way. That also is illegal, while they can be persuasive, convincing and persistant in their recommendations they are extremely careful never to "insist" anything.

 

Even if they could "insist" how we vote, I say again, how in the world would they enforce it?

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Guest fragged one

i'm not conservative, or liberal. i'm a libertarian...a free thinker.

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i'm not conservative, or liberal. i'm a libertarian...a free thinker.

I like that... free thinker... vote how you believe.

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O.K., using insist may have been the wrong word....I'll say highly recommend :mrgreen:

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DEMOCRAT

You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful.You vote people into office that put a tax on cows,forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money,buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous. Barbra Streisand sings for you.

 

SOCIALIST

You have two cows. The goverment takes one and gives it to your neighbor. You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow

 

REBUPLICAN

You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So?

 

COMMUNIST

You have two cows. The goverment seizes both and provides you with milk. You wait in line for hours to get it. It is expensive and sour

 

CAPITALISM-American style

you have two cows. You sell one,buy a bull, and build a heard of cows

 

DEMOCRACY-American style

you have two cows, The goverment taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who only has one cow,which was a gift from your goverment.

 

BUREAUCRACY-American style

You have two cows.

The goverment takes them both,shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down the drain

 

American Coprpoation

You have two cows.You sell one,lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the second one. You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are suprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have down sized and are reducing expenses. Your stock goes up.

 

French Coproration

You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. you go to lunch. Life is good

 

Japanese Corporation

You have two cows. You redesign them so that they are one tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains. Most are at the top of their class at cow school

 

German Corporation

You have two cows. You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent quality of milk, and run a hundred miles an hour. Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year

 

Italian Corporation

You have two cows but don't know where they are. While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.You break for lunch.Life is good

 

Russian Corporation

You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You have some more vodka. You count them again and learn you have 24 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.You produce your 10th, 5-year plan in the last three months.The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you have

 

Florida Corporation

You have a black cow and a brown cow.Everyone votes for the best looking one. Some of the people who like the brown one best, vote for the black one. Some people vote for both. Some people vote for neither. Some people can't figure how to vote at all. Finally a bunch of guys from out of state tell you which is the best looking one.

 

NewYork Corporation

You have fifteen million cows.You have to choose which one will be the leader of the heard, so you pick some fat cow from Arkansas

Edited by Joe C

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DW - core beliefs? Well, I've always mistrusted people who want people to describe their core beliefs, state what label / category they fall in.

 

why do you want to know?

 

here's my point - people are people - unique and not to be categorised.

 

Why not?

 

1 - Because our values / beliefs etc change over time. Experience - positive or negative informs our beliefs constantly - news stories from Iraq curreently inform part of our belief system . American troops do something and it serves to remind us that (a) George Bush is the hero of the hour or (B) GB is satan incarnate and should be removed frm office forthwith.

 

Why are we limited to these choices? It seems to me that all tohse people you SEEM to see as squirming away form the "liberal" label are saying that they (we) don't use new information to support our prejudices. We take in the new information, process it and see how we feel about it.

 

2 - Because beliefs / core values etc are not resistant to change. In the 60's the person who declared him/herself a pacifist was asked "Oh yeah, so what if some commie was raping your mother? Still a pacifist?"

 

 

Of course values are not absolute - to assume they are is the very problem that leads to war ("All Muslims need to be killed because they all hate the US") Then your daughter says she wants to marry one....

 

Angela - your definition of conservative includdes the phrase "cautious" - with respect some of hte posts from you have been the very antithesis of caution....

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I just have one thing to say, I really don't like what Bush is doing to this country. By increasing war funds, we're losing necessary resources that are vital in our everday lives. I'd like to see our soldiers come home safe just as much as the next person, but soldiers who capture helpless men, videotape them being beaten, tortured, humiliated, and sexually molested, then laugh about it, I couldn't care less if they died alongside those men. I don't think those men are any better, but what those soldiers did to them was just disgusting. This war is supposed to be about eliminating terrorists, but now it's just a brawl of senseless hatred. When our soldiers molested the Iraqi soldiers and videotaped it, the Iraqi soldiers acted in kind and videotaped the decapitation of one of our soldiers. I'd say anyone like that shouldn't be allowed to live. It's all a game of showing off and being the best, not of achieving peace. We're never going to eliminate terrorism, and that's why I hate this God-aweful place we live in. There is no better country, because there's just as many sick and disgusting people wherever you look. God I hate life...

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I just have one thing to say, I really don't like what Bush is doing to this country. By increasing war funds, we're losing necessary resources that are vital in our everday lives. I'd like to see our soldiers come home safe just as much as the next person, but soldiers who capture helpless men, videotape them being beaten, tortured, humiliated, and sexually molested,  then laugh about it, I couldn't care less if they died alongside those men. I don't think those men are any better, but what those soldiers did to them was just disgusting. This war is supposed to be about eliminating terrorists, but now it's just a brawl of senseless hatred. When our soldiers molested the Iraqi soldiers and videotaped it, the Iraqi soldiers acted in kind and videotaped the decapitation of one of our soldiers. I'd say anyone like that shouldn't be allowed to live. It's all a game of showing off and being the best, not of achieving peace. We're never going to eliminate terrorism, and that's why I hate this God-aweful place we live in. There is no better country, because there's just as many sick and disgusting people wherever you look. God I hate life...

fist off berg wasnt a soldier.if you hate this country move Edited by t.rex1972

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My point wasn't hating this country :censored: Every other country is just as guilty. I have a right to express my opinion that what people do disgusts me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name calling is not allowed.

Edited by Countrydave55

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My point wasn't hating this country :censored:     , Every other country is just as guilty. I have a right to express my opinion that what people do disgusts me.

we might disagree here but we dont call each other names :mrsgreen: Edited by Countrydave55

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Those flordians...they have palm trees, pools, everything else, but still call people idiots...

 

It's like a big state of stuck up people

 

I'm jk, don't freak out flordians :P

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if you hate this country move

Unacceptable comment. Uncalled for and out of line. Not to mention it goes against the very principles this great country was founded on. The right to express disagreement with our government, and attempt to change our government. Comments and attitudes like that are a huge part of the very problems we have in this country today. They will serve to defeat America's greatness quicker then any other idealogy ever could.

 

I would seriously suggest if one does not wish to be called an idiot then refraining from the behaviour would be the best course of action.

 

Jackofalltrades,

 

I realize being treated so rudely can be frustrating, I can sympathise with your obvious anger, but we try our best from resorting to personal attacks. Not always possible, but try anyways.

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Unacceptable comment. Uncalled for and out of line. Not to mention it goes against the very principles this great country was founded on. The right to express disagreement with our government, and attempt to change our government. Comments and attitudes like that are a huge part of the very problems we have in this country today. They will serve to defeat America's greatness quicker then any other idealogy ever could.

 

I would seriously suggest if one does not wish to be called an idiot then refraining from the behaviour would be the best course of action.

 

Jackofalltrades,

 

I realize being treated so rudely can be frustrating, I can sympathise with your obvious anger, but we try our best from resorting to personal attacks. Not always possible, but try anyways.

Well put Bruce. We should make you a moderator :P:mrgreen:

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