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I stopped the Folding client and started backing up everything I needed to with the intention of switching to Linux. That became a huge hassle with more and more problems popping up along the way (caused me a severe migraine).

 

Finally got Linux Mint to boot up without the auto reboot cycle, going to attempt the rest but I'm also about ready to ditch this machine.

 

Those who are interested, here is a thread I started on MSi forum when it started to hang on reboot.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=260776.0

 

At this point I have a feeling that something is seriously broken and most likely due to the crap PSU that CybertronPC choose to put in there, along with the fact of using stock CPU cooler on a "gaming machine". So I've been doing a bit of window shopping to see what I can work up. Provided I can spare the money, this is what I'm looking at and will purchase ASAP.

 

Case (may consider the white one): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075

PSU (will consider others, but this one would do the job): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182295

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157570

APU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113335

CPU Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104464

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

ODD (willing to consider others): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ35D6306

 

Note on mobo, I'm now seeing it's got very bad reviews even though it has all the right options/features. So I will look at others to see what will work better.

Looking at this one as an alternative.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128689

 

Looking at the PSU as an alternative.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

 

So far what I put together right there is $100 cheaper than this CybertronPC was and it offers double size HDD, double the RAM at 1866 instead of 1600, better PSU and CPU cooler and even a series better APU.

Figure the $100 savings at this point can be applied to a better mobo, addition of SSD (if possible) or even a nicer PSU.

 

Any thoughts?

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I stopped the Folding client and started backing up everything I needed to with the intention of switching to Linux. That became a huge hassle with more and more problems popping up along the way (caused me a severe migraine).

 

Finally got Linux Mint to boot up without the auto reboot cycle, going to attempt the rest but I'm also about ready to ditch this machine.

 

Those who are interested, here is a thread I started on MSi forum when it started to hang on reboot.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=260776.0

 

At this point I have a feeling that something is seriously broken and most likely due to the crap PSU that CybertronPC choose to put in there, along with the fact of using stock CPU cooler on a "gaming machine". So I've been doing a bit of window shopping to see what I can work up. Provided I can spare the money, this is what I'm looking at and will purchase ASAP.

 

Case (may consider the white one): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075

PSU (will consider others, but this one would do the job): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182295

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157570

APU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113335

CPU Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104464

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

ODD (willing to consider others): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ35D6306

 

Note on mobo, I'm now seeing it's got very bad reviews even though it has all the right options/features. So I will look at others to see what will work better.

Looking at this one as an alternative.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128689

 

Looking at the PSU as an alternative.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

 

So far what I put together right there is $100 cheaper than this CybertronPC was and it offers double size HDD, double the RAM at 1866 instead of 1600, better PSU and CPU cooler and even a series better APU.

Figure the $100 savings at this point can be applied to a better mobo, addition of SSD (if possible) or even a nicer PSU.

 

Any thoughts?

Well, I still recommend:

 

http://www.centralcomputers.com/p-224859-asus-a58m-ausb3-amd-a58-fm2-matx-usb-30-sata-6gbpsproduct.aspx

 

However; even Newegg doesn't have it in stock, so you'd need to find someone that does have this in stock. I believe it is a better board; it's what I'm using in Exeter, my XP Pro x64 SETI Cruncher.

 

Also, I've NEVER had any luck with ANY Seagate drives; so, IMHO I think they're ALL junk! Instead, look at this:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339

 

 

As for PSUs; I never skimp on power... I also swear by higher brand names; and recommend this:

 

http://www.centralcomputers.com/p-294534-antec-hcg-520m-520w-eps12v-v23-135mm-fan-80-plus-bronze-certified-modular-power-supplyproduct.aspx

 

I've heard bad things about the brand of PSU you posted in the SETI Number Crunching Forums. Personally, I went with a 500 Watt Antec Gold PSU from Central Computers. Central is a California company; so, I'm sure you can find a cheaper source outside of California for the MOBO and PSU that I'm recommending.

 

Back to the HD; I ALWAYS swear by Western Digital. I never skimp on HDs...

 

 

Good luck with whatever you choose.

 

 

TL

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I've had best luck with Seagate and Maxtor (before Seagate bought them). Had an old Maxtor 40GB IDE drive that was 4500RPM, last nearly 20 years before it died!

Don't mind WD drives though, had quite a few of them last long and tough as a tank. Think I just want anything that is about 1TB and 7200RPM.

 

As for power supply, I hear Seasonic and PC Power and Cooling are best of all. I'm not adverse to other brands though. Kinda giving preference to anything 80+ certified. I'm a minimalist and like to get the absolute most out of even the smallest things. So if possible to have a 500w PSU that is say anywhere between 90% - 100% efficient is perfect!! Maybe hard to get 100% efficiency, but if we can dream it then it's possible! Don't think I'd go for much above 500w though for such a low power machine. Those bigger PSUs are for the rigs that run 4, 6 or 8+ core CPUs and multiple GPUs!!

 

I also usually like to go with mobos that have 4 DIMM slots (if possible).. that way I feel like I'm getting as much as possible for my money and easier to upgrade. Of course, I will choose which ever is the more functional.

 

I do actually have my other machine set up and ready to go, but it's a bit more power hungry and living at my parents place for now makes things a bit tough. Home phone was just shut off the other day due to we couldn't afford to pay the bill on time. Now seems we are also behind on electric bill. It's funny since my dad makes $16/hr and my pay dropped from $30/hr to about $18/hr and yet it's still not enough for us to keep bills paid and buy food. Meanwhile, CEOs get to earn $1,000/hr and up and yet those of us on minimum wage and slightly above are the "lazy freeloaders". I'm from Finland, there is no such thing as lazy or freeloader in our vocabulary. We work even when there is no work to do!

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my choices :-

 

case $39.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075

 

cpu $69.99 :- Pentium G3258 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117374
comparison to A6-6400K :- http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/246/AMD_A6-Series_A6-6400K_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3258.html

 

motherboard $49.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128822

combo deal cpu and motherboard $104.98

 

ram $46.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

 

cpu cooler $29.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

 

psu $49.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438012

johnny guru review :- http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&file=print&reid=351

 

ssd $99.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104552&cm_re=hyper_x_ssd-_-20-104-552-_-Product

 

odd $19.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

 

total not including rebates, offers, combos, etc :- $406.92 vs yours with option motherboard and cpu choices :- $401.64.

 

in all honesty tho, my choice would be get the ssd, psu, and cpu motherboard combo and cpu cooler, total :- $284.95

 

then put them in the pc you said you currently have :- http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cybertronpc-assault-a46-desktop-amd-a4-series-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive-black/9476171.p?id=1219418158123&skuId=9476171

using all the extra parts from that.

 

then later if you want add a better graphics card, more ram, more storage, etc.

 

:b33r:

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Some reason you suggest that PSU and 1600 RAM instead of 1866+?

Guess it's not a horrible deal to sacrifice 20 watts for about $10 difference (using my alternate choice Seasonic one for comparison)

 

CPU wise, I would say those 2 look quite close. Would be tough to say one is better than the other. I had no idea there were any Intel CPUs with built in graphics :huh:

Never really been a fan of Intel graphics either...

The A6 should have an unlocked multiplier, sure the Intel has a 3MB L3 vs. the AMD with no L3. Does anything even make much use of an L3 cache?

The AMD has double the L2 and I keep reading that's a very good thing.

 

This is what I found funny:

 

  • The A6-6400K CPU has AVX, F16C, FMA3 and XOP instructions. Even though these extensions are not extensively supported by programs yet, their support should improve in future apps.

Pretty sure I've already been using those instructions (at least AVX that I'm aware of) with PCSX2 (Playstation 2 emulator). I can post screenshots of it in action over in the gaming sub forum. I'll have to figure out about doing a video of it in action. Surprisingly it seems to play very well (except for Gran Turismo 3 A-spec which rarely gets above 10fps). I'm still figuring it all out though, so maybe some setting changes might do it.

 

 

then put them in the pc you said you currently have :- http://www.bestbuy.c...3&skuId=9476171

using all the extra parts from that.

you mean to just get new mobo, ram, cpu, cooler and psu and to put that into this current machine?

I'm currently waiting to hear back from CybertronPC as to whether they test, service or repair any problems with it. From there I figure that I'll just build a whole new rig and possibly donate this one to someone in need.

In all honesty, I'd really prefer to have something where the PSU is bottom mounted. It just makes more sense that way. Heat rises, so the CPU should be near the top of the case with fan(s) mounted in the top to cool it more efficiently. Most modern PSUs have the fan positioned in such a way that it would draw cool air into the PSU itself when mounted so the fan can use the venting in the bottom of the case. Heat would be exhausted out the rear.

 

With a top mount, the heat from the CPU would be drawn directly into a warm PSU, causing it to run even hotter.

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ram you won't notice the difference between 1600 and 1866, psu coz it's cheap and has a good reputation.

 

intel is much faster than amd at the moment, for instance a mutithreaded job that takes the 6400k 1 hour to complete that g3258 would complete the job in 20 minutes.

 

agree intel graphics not the best (still slightly better in this instance.) but then again no apu graphics are that great in my opinion, good enough for most things but if your a serious gamer then you'd want to get a dedicated graphics card anyway for both cpu's.

 

as to psu location don't really make much difference in my experience, bottom my preference too but top works just as well depending on case air flow, but there's no reason not to get the case you want and then use new parts and old parts from current pc in that, then with the money you save you can buy a good graphics card to complete the build.

 

your money your choices though those are just suggestions on what i would do if it was my money and machine.

 

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Keep your case, odd. get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2465537

and use the EVGA psu and SSD Terry recommended

although you can get the Samsung 850 250gb for the same price on sale

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3FA2EV1108

keep that crappy Seagate drive for storage

you'll have a pc that can seriously kick some real butt when you can afford a decent GPU

Or keep your memory, and get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372&cm_re=Intel_Core_i5-4690K-_-19-117-372-_-Product

With this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157512

 

You can pick up a GTX 750 ti card for under $150 and that'll make for a very nice set up, later you could go with a CM 212+ cooler if you need to O/C, they got for around $30.

 

The i5 and board will be $320 and that will give you a start

 

Edit: your case is only 7.1" wide and the CM 212+ will not fit in that case

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Actually, doing some cleaning and really debating what to do with my Phenom rig.. might just consider selling the mobo, CPU and RAM as a combo and use the remaining stuff from that build to get things going with a better mobo, CPU, RAM. So looks like I do actually have some good options to consider!

 

Still have this PSU (from Guns)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703013

 

And this HDD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148155

 

And still have this SSD (from txredneck)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227791

 

 

Edit: your case is only 7.1" wide and the CM 212+ will not fit in that case

That's about the only reason I was looking at another case

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If you have all that other stuff then you'll only need to get that i5 cpu and board, plus a case. Cases can vary to a wide degree of styles and everybody has their own preferences about what appeals to them. Look for a case with the basics like multiple fan options, usb 3.0 or 3.1 options on the front, good air circulation with options for water radiators. Also look for something that offers good wire management too.

Price and style is up to you, but if you buy a cheap case...then expect to get a cheap case

Those i5 processors are very popular and if you research on them, you will not be disappointed.

The GTX 750ti cards are the most popular budget cards that provide the best bang for your buck, I've seen them on sale for as little as $100 with rebates, and they play just about any game out there today

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Ideally I'd like to switch up the RAM too. There is currently a single 4GB stick of Crucial in there, just low cost memory with NO heatspreader. 4GB isn't even really enough any more, just opening Firefox or Chrome will eat up nearly half of that. Doesn't help that 768MB is also set for use as VRAM for the Radeon HD 8370D graphics. Figured 8GB should be fine.

 

Price and style is up to you, but if you buy a cheap case...then expect to get a cheap case

 

Been there, done that.. lesson learned!

 

This is the cheap one I had bought and most screw holes were stripped out when I got it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154095

 

None the less, thanks very much for the suggestions!

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There's got to be some hardware problem here. Rebooted the machine, pressed del key to get into BIOS and right away I see it shows CPU temp 46*C and System temp 26*C. That's after the machine had been powered down for a good 20 minutes so I could clear the CMOS. BIOS is now at default settings, and just for curiosity sake I even clicked the OC Genie button in BIOS, it won't let me do anything with it because this APU is NOT a K series. As far as I know, that means I couldn't attempt to overclock it if I tried.

 

It also showed System/12v at 11.968v - 12.056v and CPU core at 1.312v - 1.352v. This is a slight drop in 12v and a slight increase in CPU core voltage (about 0.3v up).

 

Tried running the system clean up utility and that alone pushed HDD to 100% and CPU to 100%. That drove CPU temp to 86*C, motherboard to 43*C and graphics to 13*C in Speccy.

 

Think I could use the AMD supplied cooler from PhenomII X6 (socket AM3) instead of the AMD supplied one that came pre-installed in this machine? The one on there now appears to be all aluminum, I'd have to remove it to see if it's got even a copper core. The one from the Phenom has a good thick chunk of copper for a base plate, aluminum fins and copper heat pipes.

 

CybertronPC hasn't responded to me in 3 or 4 days now as to getting the thing checked out or anything. It's only 6 months old and still has warranty.

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Can't expect much from an A4 processor, close to the bottom of the barrel as you can get, but you probably should check the heatsink to see if it proper amount of thermal paste and is properly set on the cpu. If your under warranty, call best buy but you probably won't get much help from them

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Yeah that's why I was curious about putting the other heatsink I've got on there, since the Phenom isn't even in use.

I'll be making a trip over to Best Buy today (probably in the next couple hours) to see about a new mobile phone. Guess I'll just stop at the Geek Squad desk and ask them about it.

 

Here's what I was told in email when I contacted Cybertron PC.

 

 

I’m sorry you are having a bad experience with your new Cybertron PC. We stand behind our products and prices. We have one of the best warranties in the industry and are known for our great support.

 

Warranty - a word in the enlish language which means "our product is crap and we just convinced you otherwise by backing it with a promise we never intend to fulfill"

 

When I responded that I've built PCs for myself and others before and said machines have lasted 10 - 15 years with almost no problems at all, this is the response:

 

 

They are not the same parts in this machine and although they are equivalent, they do not include life time free tech support….or a year warranty on all parts and labor.

 

Here's the thing on that, I DID warrant all my work and even offered lifetime tech support... at NO additional cost! Never once tried to push a warranty on someone for an additional cost. I was so sure of my work that I gave that warranty for free as a sign of my "good faith".

 

As far as I see it, a person is neither rich nor a success based upon how much money they earn. One is rich or successful based upon how kind and helpful he/she is towards fellow humans!

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Actually, doing some cleaning and really debating what to do with my Phenom rig.. might just consider selling the mobo, CPU and RAM as a combo and use the remaining stuff from that build to get things going with a better mobo, CPU, RAM. So looks like I do actually have some good options to consider!

 

Still have this PSU (from Guns)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703013

 

And this HDD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148155

 

And still have this SSD (from txredneck)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227791

 

That's about the only reason I was looking at another case.

You can run the 212 EVO with the side of the case off/open. This is what I'm doing with Exeter, my A6-6400K system. :)

 

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to be honest i think the 212 will fit in the case with the side on anyway, it's about 6 1/4 inches high i believe so should just fit in a 7.1 inch wide case i'd have thought, of course only trying it will you know for definite and like you said in worst scenario then just leave the side off.

 

:b33r:

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Newegg says the Hyper 212 EVO is 6.2 inches high, Cooler Master site shows 6.3 inches. Both show the height as 159mm

It might fit in this Apevia X-Trooper Jr case, but only if I don't have any fans mounted on the side. Even then, it would be a very close fit.

 

I see at least 2 reviews (so far) of this case in which there is mention of CPU coolers not fitting due to the side fan(s) get in the way. One mentions the Hyper TX3, and that one shows a height of 139mm.

 

So guess I'll give things a bit of consideration before just putting anything on order. For now I'm going to try re-seating the current cooler with a fresh application of arctic silver and see if that helps get the temps back to normal.

 

*edit*

I'm wondering if one of the ATX cables wasn't a bit loose or something. CPU core voltage is now back down to 1.024v and the temps have dropped to normal.

As far as anything to do with CPU cooler... that thing is really on there! No idea what kind of thermal paste they used, must have super glue mixed in or something. Either way that thing is not coming off. Pulled hard enough a couple of the heatsink fins started to bend.

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