PC crashes when running ArcheAge

[Wendy Jackson]

Hiya all.... have added a HJT file as well... as PCPitstop zipped file. ok what files can I add?....x

 

OK I play Arche Age which is a fairly new game... might be playing for 10 mins and pc will shut down.... i has happened with a couple of others but mainly when I play this game....

Hoping someone can help

Thank is advance

Wendy

 

[caintry_boy]

Is there the possibility that the PC is overheating? Have you pulled off the side/cover and blown out the dust bunnies with a can of compressed air?

 

Are you our wendiau from a few years back?

http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?/user/15227-wendiau/

 

 

 

 

[Wendy Jackson]

Is there the possibility that the PC is overheating? Have you pulled off the side/cover and blown out the dust bunnies with a can of compressed air?

 

Are you our wendiau from a few years back?

http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?/user/15227-wendiau/

 

 

I am... you remember me?..lol

no I havnt... but it only happens with this game

x

 

[Wendy Jackson]

 

Is there the possibility that the PC is overheating? Have you pulled off the side/cover and blown out the dust bunnies with a can of compressed air?

 

Are you our wendiau from a few years back?

http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?/user/15227-wendiau/

 

 

I am... you remember me?..lol

no I havnt... but it only happens with this game

x

 

 

No Dont think its over heating ..... total shut down...and then have to reboot.....

[caintry_boy]

O.K. have you scanned for malware/adware? Try this:

-AdwCleaner-by Xplode

Click on this link to download : ADWCleaner
Click on ONE of the Two Blue Download Now buttons That have a blue arrow beside them and save it to your desktop.

Do not click on any links in the top Advertisment.

• Close all open programs and internet browsers.
• Double click on AdwCleaner.exe to run the tool.
• Click on Scan.
• After the scan is complete click on "Clean"
• Confirm each time with Ok.
• Your computer will be rebooted automatically. A text file will open after the restart.
• Please post the content of that logfile with your next answer.
• You can find the logfile at C:\AdwCleaner[s1].txt as well.

Let's see what that finds...

 

 

Also try running Malwarebytes:

Download here > http://downloads.malwarebytes.org/file/mbam/

Run the program like this:

Double Click mbam-setup.exe to install the application.

Make sure a checkmark is placed next to Update Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and Launch Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware, then click Finish.
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Once the program has loaded, select "Perform Quick Scan", then click Scan.
The scan may take some time to finish,so please be patient.
When the scan is complete, click OK, then Show Results to view the results.
Make sure that everything is checked, and click Remove Selected.
When disinfection is completed, a log will open in Notepad and you may be prompted to Restart.(See Extra Note)
The log is automatically saved by MBAM and can be viewed by clicking the Logs tab in MBAM.
Copy&Paste the entire report in your next reply.
Extra Note:

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[JustinP526]

Can you run a PitTest? It could be possible that you just need to update or change graphics card driver.

[Wendy Jackson]

Hiya.. did this scan last night... have malawarebytes premium..both added

Did full test last night in the "pit" top 26% will add as well....

Thanks in advance

Wendy

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware

www.malwarebytes.org

Scan Date: 17/09/2014

Scan Time: 9:57:13 AM

Logfile: MAB log.txt

Administrator: Yes

Version: 2.00.2.1012

Malware Database: v2014.09.16.09

Rootkit Database: v2014.09.15.01

License: Premium

Malware Protection: Enabled

Malicious Website Protection: Enabled

Self-protection: Disabled

OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1

CPU: x64

File System: NTFS

User: Tower

Scan Type: Threat Scan

Result: Completed

Objects Scanned: 402809

Time Elapsed: 16 min, 13 sec

Memory: Enabled

Startup: Enabled

Filesystem: Enabled

Archives: Enabled

Rootkits: Enabled

Heuristics: Enabled

PUP: Enabled

PUM: Enabled

Processes: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Modules: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Registry Keys: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Registry Values: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Registry Data: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Folders: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Files: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Physical Sectors: 0

(No malicious items detected)

(end)

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# Updated 12/09/2014 by Xplode

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Test History Configuration Overview

AMD Athlon II X2 270, 3400 MHz (2 CPUs)
8192 MB system RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti
1600x900 resolution, 32 bits/pixel
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 x64

Test Data Summary

The following test result sets have been saved for this configuration:

Date CPU
Speed
(MIPS) RAM
Speed
(MB/s) Video
Speed
(MP/s) Band-
width
down
(Kb/s) Band-
width
up
(Kb/s) Ping
Time
(ms) CPU
Load
(%) Wed Sep 17 2014 00:27:50 GMT+1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) 29947 21567 378 4398 901 149 -2

Date Drive Type Size
(MB) Free
(MB) Data
Frag
(%) File
Frag
(%) Disk
Speed
(MB/s) Wed Sep 17 2014 00:27:50 GMT+1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) C: NTFS 953766 723513 0 0 148 Wed Sep 17 2014 00:27:50 GMT+1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) D: NTFS 1907725 869936 -1 -1 23

[caintry_boy]

Thanks Wendy, I'll have one of the Trusted Malware Techs have a look at that Adwarecleaner log...

 

 

 

 

[Wendy Jackson]

Thanks Wendy, I'll have one of the Trusted Malware Techs have a look at that Adwarecleaner log...

 

 

 

 

Thank you.... one other thing... something is running on pc now...red lights blinking like a scan being done? but when i go to task bar..... it says nothing?.....

[Wendy Jackson]

ok I have forgotten how to add a file ? jpg pic of screen task bar

[caintry_boy]

If you take a screen shot of it and save to your PC, just use the "More Reply Options" and toward the bottom of the page select the "Choose Files" button under Attach Files, select your pic, Open, Add to Post on the right side.

If you've already ran it through a hosting site just copy the URL and right above the reply box hover over the little icons there till you find one that looks like a tiny "picture", click and enter the URL, OK, done.

 

 

 

 

[Wendy Jackson]

says shot was too big PrtScr ?

Ohh well.....xo

[Wendy Jackson]

This is how my task bar looks ..I can't see what is behind the scenes

x

[terry1966]

 

No Dont think its over heating ..... total shut down...and then have to reboot.....

that is exactly what would happen when it over heats.

so definitely give it a good clean out anyway. the cooler it runs the better so should be cleaned out on a regular basis.

 

the reason why it only happens during game play may be because games (or that 1 game) are a lot more cpu intensive (meaning the cpu gets hotter) than just normal pc use like web browsing, so when the cpu hits a certain temp it will shut down the pc to protect itself.

 

install some temp monitoring software like this :- http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

and see what the temps get up to when it shuts down.

 

[Wendy Jackson]

that is exactly what would happen when it over heats.

so definitely give it a good clean out anyway. the cooler it runs the better so should be cleaned out on a regular basis.

 

the reason why it only happens during game play may be because games (or that 1 game) are a lot more cpu intensive (meaning the cpu gets hotter) than just normal pc use like web browsing, so when the cpu hits a certain temp it will shut down the pc to protect itself.

 

install some temp monitoring software like this :- http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

and see what the temps get up to when it shuts down.

 

Thank you Terry will give that a go xand will let you know x

[caintry_boy]

Wendy, I'd like for you to update your Malwarebytes and scan again and post the log. It may seem repetitious but I just want to double-check...

By the way, I also agree with what Terry is saying about the game play and heat effects on the CPU causing shut downs.

 

 

 

[lurkingatu2]

hello

i'v been watching this games also but it just came out of beta so there could
still be bugs in it

if you look at there forums you can see others having trouble also

http://forums.archeagegame.com/forum.php

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?49676-Unable-to-run-on-nvidia-even-after-forcing

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?22372-Okay....can-anyone-play-with-a-GeForce-560-TI

but terry1966 and caintry_boy have good advice about malware and heat but i just
wanted throw this out there about the game being so new

ArcheAge Launch Date 9/16
http://www.archeagegame.com/en/news/2014/08/archeage-schedule-announcement/



James

[caintry_boy]

Wendy, I'd like for you to update your Malwarebytes and scan again and post the log. It may seem repetitious but I just want to double-check...

By the way, I also agree with what Terry is saying about the game play and heat effects on the CPU causing shut downs.

 

 

 

 

Wendy, I don't know if you had Adwarecleaner quarantine or delete what it found but please run it again and have it delete all that it finds.

Also please do this:

Please download Junkware Removal Tool to your desktop.

• Shut down your protection software now to avoid potential conflicts.
• Run the tool by double-clicking it. If you are using Windows Vista, 7, or 8; instead of double-clicking, right-mouse click JRT.exe and select "Run as Administrator".
• The tool will open and start scanning your system.
• Please be patient as this can take a while to complete depending on your system's specifications.
• On completion, a log (JRT.txt) is saved to your desktop and will automatically open.
• Post the contents of JRT.txt into your next message.

So please post a new Malwarebytes log, a new Adwarecleaner log (after deleting) and the JRT log.

 

 

 

 

[Wendy Jackson]

Terry and James yes i think it may be heat prob.... tried to D/L the file for Temp...terry ..is there an easier one ?

Try the game so different that others.....

scanning the others now will add when done x

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware

www.malwarebytes.org

Scan Date: 20/09/2014

Scan Time: 12:36:57 AM

Logfile: mawbfile.txt

Administrator: Yes

Version: 2.00.2.1012

Malware Database: v2014.09.19.04

Rootkit Database: v2014.09.18.01

License: Premium

Malware Protection: Enabled

Malicious Website Protection: Enabled

Self-protection: Disabled

OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1

CPU: x64

File System: NTFS

User: Tower

Scan Type: Threat Scan

Result: Completed

Objects Scanned: 404802

Time Elapsed: 11 min, 49 sec

Memory: Enabled

Startup: Enabled

Filesystem: Enabled

Archives: Enabled

Rootkits: Enabled

Heuristics: Enabled

PUP: Enabled

PUM: Enabled

Processes: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Modules: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Registry Keys: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Registry Values: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Registry Data: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Folders: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Files: 0

(No malicious items detected)

Physical Sectors: 0

(No malicious items detected)

(end)

[Wendy Jackson]

# AdwCleaner v3.310 - Report created 20/09/2014 at 00:32:27

# Updated 12/09/2014 by Xplode

# Operating System : Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 (64 bits)

# Username : Tower - TOWER-PC

# Running from : C:\Users\Tower\Downloads\AdwCleaner (1).exe

# Option : Clean

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[Wendy Jackson]

caintry_boy ......adding the last one when it D/L taking ages

[caintry_boy]

JRT? Should take no time at all...I just downloaded it in about 2 seconds. Of course I have a 10Mb download speed, if you're on dial-up it could take a fair amount of time. Try stopping the d/l and start again.

 

edit: it does take awhile to run the program on my system tho'...

 

 

 

 

[terry1966]

 

tried to D/L the file for Temp...terry ..is there an easier one ?

 

not sure what problem you had but this is a direct link to the hwmonitor download, so should start downloading as soon as you click on it :- http://www.cpuid.com/medias/files/softwares/hwmonitor/hwmonitor_1.25-setup.exe

 

there is also speedfan :- http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php

it's direct download link :- http://www.almico.com/speedfan450.exe

 

personally i think i'd try both and check what each says your temps are they should be the same or very close to each other meaning it's more likely to be an accurate temp reading.

 

[Wendy Jackson]

ok went thru... first time took me on a tour of website...and a few different pages..lol but this took me straight there..hmm.lol

 

ok have add file with scn shot of both temp programs ...im not sure how to read....

[Wendy Jackson]