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Should I even bother going any further with this setup, or just quit here and invest into something newer?

 

Currently have the following:

 

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131382

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103251

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146108

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703013

 

I've flashed the BIOS to allow the use of AM3 CPUs as high as PhenomII X6 and all is well. Looks like the highest AM3 CPU they have at the egg is PhenomII X4 965 BE.. can do some browsing about and maybe get lucky enough to find a nice X6 for cheap on eBay or something. I've only got a stock AMD CPU cooler though.. was looking at picking up a Cooler Master V6GT, but it doesn't have the X6 listed as being supported.

 

Mobo supports up to 16GB DDR2-1066 but I'm confused on the limitations...

*Due to AMD CPU limitation, DDR2 1066 is supported by AM2+/AM3 CPU for one DIMM per channel only.

 

Does that mean I could use only 2 of the 4 slots with 1066?

 

So at this point either search about and hope for some good deals to upgrade CPU and RAM, then still need GPU, HDDs, a better CPU cooler and very likely a better case.

 

Suggestions?

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I had assumed the same thing with my AOpen Pentium 4 board, but I put 4 sticks of RAM in it and it still runs dual channel.

Really wish they would make those kind of things more clear...

Then again it specifies that for 1066.. so is that not a limitation if I choose to instead run 800?

 

I'm seriously so confused and it's no help that every day it seems a new brand name pops up out of the blue. There's just too many choices and not enough set answers to make it simpler. :pullhair:

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The issue is with a bug in the controller on the cpu back then. I quit following it and have no idea if it was ever compensated for. If it's still around, the system very well might not boot with all 4 slots at 1066.

 

You'll have no problems running 4 sticks of 800

 

On the other hand, and I actually did this myself a couple months back, the cost of ddr2 is high enough now that if you watch for a sale you can pick up a nice motherboard and 8 gigs of 1600 or better ddr3 for the price of 8 gigs of ddr2 1066. Granted you would also have to pick up a new cpu, but in all honesty, the time to move up to the ddr3 standard is now. Not to mention the performance increase you'd notice.

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Well then guess I'll just sell off the mobo, CPU and RAM as a used combo on craigslist or eBay to fund something newer.

 

Pretty sure I'll notice any kind of performance increase over this 10 year old Pentium 4 machine.

 

So starting from scratch again... and no clue where to start.

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Yes, there is a Microcenter near by. It's roughly 7 miles from my current residence.. actually think I was recently looking at an apartment a few blocks away from where the Microcenter is. :lol:

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http://www.microcenter.com/store/add_product.aspx?productIDs=0382894,0408700

 

http://www.microcenter.com/product/382101/Ballistix_Sport_8GB_DDR3-1600_(PC3-12800)_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_(Two_4GB_Memory_Modules)

 

http://www.microcenter.com/product/406836/2TB_7,200_RPM_SATA_60Gb-s_Desktop_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_PH3200U-1I72

 

http://www.microcenter.com/product/373900/Hyper_212_EVO_Universal_CPU_Cooler

 

Would be a great budget place to start. Keep in mind, if you get all this at Microcenter but have found it cheaper online, they'll price match. All this is right at $300. If you have a case, I have a psu and GPU for ya.

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Got a PC Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 860 watt here. I do have a case, but wouldn't mind replacing it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154095

It's 3 years old now.

 

Looks like a nice deal for sure though, thanks.

I'm still a bit confused though. The RAM is DDR3-1600 and details for the mobo show its supported but as overclock. Does that mean it would only work provided I overclock the system?

Won't bother me to do so, just curious as I've never overclocked any system before.

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I have one motherboard that supports higher speed RAM with O/C SUPPOSEDLY, but it will not run it. I purchased some 1866Mhz thinking it would be backwards compatible and it wouldn't boot, I had to turn out and buy the 1333Mhz sticks and it runs fine.

Just be aware that it might like the faster speed stuff that Tx linked to and it may not, to be safe go with the 1333Mhz.

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

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Upon further inspection, this looks to be a better choice based on user feedback for the mobo.http://www.microcenter.com/store/add_product.aspx?productIDs=0398235,0408700

 

It's $10 more but has much more positive feedback.

 

Edit:I n00bed this all up. At the risk having compatibility issues with the ram, I decided to follow best practices and check the ram QVL and dadgum is it narrow. This was the least expensive ram on the list that I could find at Microcenter, but it raises the cost another $15.:/

http://www.microcenter.com/product/355674/Viper_Xtreme_Series_8GB_DDR3-1866_(PC3-15000)_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_(Two_4GB_Memory_Modules)

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damn CB, you have had a lot of ram problems, lol. I've yet to run into an issue with ram not dropping down in speed.

 

Actually it's only that one mobo that doesn't like RAM that is rated for "O/C"...psst, it's a Gigabyte and I love Gigabyte boards, that's why I still have it. That and the fact I only paid $35 for it! :woot:

IT's the only mobo I've ever owned that is that way. :facepalm:

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

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ram is ram is ram, doesn't matter if it's rated for higher or lower than what the motherboard "supports". a 1600 ram stick will run on a motherboard that supports 1333 speeds just fine and vice versa a 1333 ram stick will run on a motherboard that supports 1600 just fine also. you need to make sure if the motherboard needs ddr2 or ddr3 etc ram then you buy ddr2 or ddr 3 etc ram.another concern is if each slot only supports say 2GB then theres no point buying 4gb sticks. the only time you will get problems with ram usually is if it's a bad stick or the motherboard is bad, or of course if your overclocking it and trying to get 1333 ram to run at 1600 speeds.on rare occasions you may need to go into your bios and manually set it's speed and timings before it works correctly too. never in my experience tho have i had a problem with ram because of it's rated speed so as far as tx links go any and all of the ram listed will work just fine in my opinion. :b33r: thought this explanation in simple terms, might help. think of ram like the hinges on your garden gate, and your motherboard is the person opening and shutting the gate. now the hinges won't break unless the gate is opened and closed faster than 1600 times a minute, that's ok tho because the person can only open and close a gate 1333 times a minute therefore there's no chance of the hinges breaking and the gate will open and close just fine. in the other scenario the hinges got replaced and the person can now open and shut a gate faster at 1600 times a minute.the new hinges will only work up to 1333 before breaking tho, but because the person read the instructions on the new hinges tho it knows this, so makes sure it doesn't open and close the gate any faster than the 1333 times a minute the hinges can take. :mrgreen:

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agreed wdeydwondrer, ddr single and double sided ram never got along sometimes depending on motherboard.

 

tx bad sticks/motherboard? the motherboard should always be able to read from the ram what speed/timings it's rated for and be able to set itself to those speeds/timings.

 

there are absolutely no hardware reasons why ram can not run slower than rated to suit a motherboards max speed, and vice-versa the motherboard should be able to recognise slower ram plugged into itself and set itself correctly unless there is a problem somewhere with either the motherboard or ram sticks.

 

the only reason i can think of for your ram not working tx is if it needed 2.8v or something and the motherboard could only output a lower voltage like 2.5v, so that's another important factor that i forgot to mention, what volts the ram needs and the motherboard supports.

 

:b33r:

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