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My own thread about 12.3

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Yes, the Grand Poobah has decreed it, so it's my own thread about my own problem.

Here it is: I'm a stupid idiot. How do I know this? Because three times now I have tried to upgrade (ha, freakin, ha) Suse 12.2 to 12.3. Every time, I lose the full screen functionality of any vids.

This is what I beg of the Pit to help me with. How can I restore full vid capabality on this box, or go back to 12.2 without freaking kernel panic making me start all over again from my 12.1 ISO disc. That is a real hemorrhoid. I've vowed to never return to Redmond, but I will thrust my head straight through my monitor if I can't figure this out. As far as I can tell (lizard chilling up on his vine and the name "Dartmouth") I'm in 12.3, but with no music I might as well be back in the clutches of Gates.

I would not ask the Pit if I hadn't researched it first, but there is nothing out there.

 

I'll give a warning for others in my place - everything was OK before the zypper dup.

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Zypper dup is a bad idea sometimes when there's a major change in the x server. I have no problem with 12.3 on most of my machines but I have a new intel atom machine that 12.3 simply won't intstall on in any mode, normal gui, text mode, failsafe mode etc. I may have to use a different monitor or something. but 12.1 and and 12.2 havw zero problems.

 

But, if you have a seperate home partition, you can clean install 12.3 just don't format your home partition and all your stuff will still be there.

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Upgrading is never a good idea.

 

Install the operating system fresh as John has pointed out, keep your existing /home partition.

 

When you get a clean installation up and running, then it is easier to determine what is going on.

 

I also have it running on three machines with no problems at all. Two AMD/Nvidia machines and one Intel machine.

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so the vids play fine but if you maximise the player what happens?

what player are you using?

what graphics card/drivers are you using?

 

try booting into suse 12.3 safe mode and see if the vids play fine full screen using the default graphics drivers.

 

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by the way the easiest way to do a clean install is to boot the 12.3 iso image from your home partition, to do that you need to edit grubs 40_custom file to add the iso image to the grub2 menu and then boot it on a restart, here's the "how to" :- http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html

 

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That actually wouldn't be the default graphics driver Terry, safe mode uses fbdev.

weren't sure exactly what would be used, just as long as he boots into failsafe mode tho and tests, thought it might narrow the problem down to his normal video driver if it now plays full screen.

 

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Thanks for the replies. Even Nigel's. Wannabe John Cleese, eh?

I ended up doing a total wipe and reinstall from my 12.1 ISO. I updated everything in 12.1, and then manually edited my repos through YaST to 12.2 and did a zypper dup. Now I have solid 12.2 up and running.

Here's a question: Last time I went to 12.3, I edited the repos up to 12.3 and got it running. My problem was after I did the "up" and then did the "dup".

Options:

1. Stick with 12.2.

2. Edit the repos to 12.3 and do an "up" but skip the "dup".

3. Wait until I can afford a DVD disc and d/l it from SUSE's site and then use k3b to burn it and upgrade from it.

 

For now, I choose Option 2, but Pit advice is always welcome and is priceless.

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1. do a "dup" NOT an "up" after editing repo's.

think of dup as meaning do a "d"istro "up"grade where as up means "up"date installed packages.

 

you do a zypper up BEFORE editing repo's to make sure your installed system is totally upto date ready to be upgraded.

 

2. for clean install of 12.3 read link :- http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html

 

no need for dvd disc or any other media to be able to do a clean install of 12.3.

 

i've done both 1 and 2 and never had any problems except for the bugs mentioned in my own topic and why i went back to 12.2. the os worked just fine on the whole except for those annoyances which i'd bet are probably all fixed by now anyway.

 

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Edited by terry1966

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Why the total wipe back to 12.1??

 

It would have been better to have wiped and gone to 12..3 with the clean install, and then dealt with any issues.

 

Your problem now is going to be carrying anything that's broken from 12.1 to 12.2 and on into 12.3.

 

Option 4: Download the iso - burn to disc & clean install.

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he has no discs but he does have a 12.1 disc tho, so why he went back to that.

 

i've upgraded from 11.4 to 12.1 to 12.2 to 12.3 without any problems at all, that i never had anyway with a clean install of 12.3. ;)

 

:b33r:

Edited by terry1966

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he has no discs but he does have a 12.1 disc tho, so why he went back to that. ;)

 

:b33r:

 

My point was....if you have a working 12.2 install and are prepared to do a 'total wipe' then why not go with 12.3 - Either do an in place upgrade as you have suggested or wait until you can get a blank DVD or a USB to boot from. Heck I can even send Kurt the .iso burned to disc!

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<p>yes and even easier to do a clean install now there's no need to mount the iso first to extract certain files, then boot those files as before with grub if you wanted to save yourself a blank disc.</p>

<p>now it's just a case of adding the iso image to grub2's boot menu and booting it to start the clean install.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>the instructions are straight forward and easy enough to follow that even i can do it. <img class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://forums.pcpitstop.com/public/style_emoticons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" /></p>

<p><a href="http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html">http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html</a></p>

<p> </p>

<p>just move the dvd iso (mine was 64bit version and one i recommend always now unless your pc isn't 64bit capable.) from your downloads folder to the /root/home folder, outside your named user folder(need to be superuser.), this puts it on the "root" of your home partition (rename it if you like to "suse123.iso" to make it easier to enter the correct details.)  .</p>

<p> </p>

<p>my setup was something like sda1 2gb swap, sda2 30gb / and sda3 100gb /home</p>

<p> </p>

<p>then as super user just go to /root/etc/grub.d/ and open the 40_custom file with kwrite and paste/type the below into it and close it saving the changes.</p>

<pre class="_prettyXprint">

menuentry "openSUSE 12.3 DVD" {

set isofile=/suse123.iso

set root=(hd0,3)

loopback loop $isofile

linux (loop)/boot/x86_64/loader/linux install=hd:$isofile

initrd (loop)/boot/x86_64/loader/initrd

}

</pre>

<p>then open yast , system, bootloader and click ok to close it again, then just reboot and at the menu you'll now see</p>

<p>"openSUSE 12.3 DVD"</p>

<p>just boot it and the install process starts.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>suse is usually exellent for making/offering the correct install decisions/partitions so you should see it offer to delete your current root partition and format and do the new install on it without changing anything else, exactly what we want, so no need to edit any partitions or anything just keep clicking next.  <img class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://forums.pcpitstop.com/public/style_emoticons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" /></p>

<p> </p>

<p>like i said so simple even i can do it. <img class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://forums.pcpitstop.com/public/style_emoticons/default/rofl3.gif" title=":rofl3:" /></p>

<p>the original guide again. :- <a href="http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html">http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html</a></p>

<p> </p>

<p><img class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://forums.pcpitstop.com/public/style_emoticons/default/beer.gif" title=":b33r:" /></p>

Edited by terry1966

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cleaned up version of last post after an edit messed it up. grrrrrrrrr :IG:

 

yes and even easier to do a clean install now there's no need to mount the iso first to extract certain files, then boot those files as before with grub if you wanted to save yourself a blank disc.

now it's just a case of adding the iso image to grub2's boot menu and booting it to start the clean install.

 

the instructions are straight forward and easy enough to follow that even i can do it. :mrgreen:

 

just move the dvd iso (mine was 64bit version and one i recommend always now unless your pc isn't 64bit capable.) from your downloads folder to the /root/home folder, outside your named user folder(need to be superuser.), this puts it on the "root" of your home partition (rename it if you like to "suse123.iso" to make it easier to enter the correct details.)

 

my setup was something like sda1 2gb swap, sda2 30gb / and sda3 100gb /home

 

then again as super user just go to /root/etc/grub.d/ and open the 40_custom file with kwrite and paste/type the below into it and close it saving the changes.

menuentry "openSUSE 12.3 DVD" {set isofile=/suse123.isoset root=(hd0,3)loopback loop $isofilelinux (loop)/boot/x86_64/loader/linux install=hd:$isofileinitrd (loop)/boot/x86_64/loader/initrd}

then open yast , system, bootloader and click ok to close it again, now just reboot and at the menu you'll now see

openSUSE 12.3 DVD
just boot it and the install process starts.

 

suse is usually exellent for making/offering the correct install decisions/partitions so you should see it offer to delete your current root partition and format and do the new install on it without changing anything else, exactly what we want, so no need to edit any partitions or anything just keep clicking next.

 

like i said so simple even i can do it. :laughing:

 

the original guide again. :- http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/unreviewed-how-faq/484223-how-boot-opensuse-dvd-hard-disk-grub2.html

 

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most people don't have a mind like mine(thank god.) so probably don't do anywhere near as many edits to a post to get it reading half way sensible like i do, and that's probably why it happened here. :rofl3:

 

think that was like my 5th or 6th edit, for spelling/grammer/context. :blush:

 

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The towel has hit the canvas. 12.3 has whupped my :filtered:. I won't post any details now, because I am beyond sick of looking at a PC screen in the past 2 weeks, but thanks will be given to those who helped and details will be presented as a lesson to those who hopefully won't follow in my stumbling first steps.

Peace, Pit - I'm back to 12.1 and not even properly updated.

I'll see y'alls when (if) I get back to 12.2.

Too damn annoying right now. No 12.3 for KB.

 

KB

 

P.S. >>> I just have to laugh at some of the captions under the avatars. I'm an "Advanced Member"? I don't know if that's an insult to Neanderthals or Cro-Magnons. :b33r:

Edited by KurtBleach

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well to be honest kurt i installed it just the other day on one of my pc's without any problems in about 20 minutes for my grandson to use, haven't used it much myself but seems 100% stable and haven't noticed any bugs whatsoever.

 

did you try doing the clean install from the iso image straight from the hard drive? this is how i installed it.

also do a md5 or sha1 check on the iso itself, may be you have a corrupted image or something causing you problems.

 

the more details you can provide tho the more we can research and find out what the problem is and how to fix it.

 

not sure exactly what the video card is in it now, but it's a newish ati card think it's a hd6450.

 

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You know what?

I consider some of you on here like sort of friends and definitely teachers and gurus about this stuff, but I am just about to disappear forever.

One more time I will reload my trusty 12.1 ISO disc, but that will be the last time.

A warning to people who follow Terry's directions for loading the ISO without burning: it takes up your whole sda3 partition.

You end up with a mess of partitions like sda5, sda 7 and 8. Then when I tried to d/l my usual repos and ish, it told me the disc was almost full and I should delete unnecessary files.

I'm used to sda1 is swap, sda2 is the OS, and sda3 is my /home.

Oh, look at what you get if you follow that link Terry gave.

 

Since I like you people :tux: , I will give you a glimpse of the problems.

 

Well, I'll bring them up tomorrow because I am dog tired right now.

This PC has been kicking my butt for at least 2 weeks now, I am ready to just smash the damn thing.

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The problem is you. Your partitioning must really be a mess if one iso image takes up a whole partition.

 

Maybe you should post your partition layout sized because what you are saying simply does not make sense unless you are using and ancient 5 gig hard drive.

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My advice:

 

Download a fresh 12.3 ISO check Md5 and then burn to disc.

Instal from disc, set up your /swap, /sda1 etc however you want and just reformat the whole thing.

 

Then post your issues and we can all chip in, get you back up and running.

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there's nothing wrong with the instructions and i've used that method a few times now, so for you to get extra partitions from your starting sda1 sda2 and sda 3, i think you've made a mistake somewhere and it's shrunk your home sda3 partition and created a completely new install with new partitions sda5 sda6 sda7 which may have caused your lack of space warning instead of just formatting your sda2 partition and installing there while using your sda1 swap and sda3 partitions without formatting.

 

the iso is about 4GB in size so if you move it from inside your home download folder to outside your home folder so it is on the root of the home partition it hasn't changed a thing about how much space is used on that partition, it's just the location of the iso that has changed.

 

:b33r:

Edited by terry1966

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