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Last summer I put together my first PC with the help of some of you here. It has been a great system outside of having to RMA my motherboard. It handles everything I throw at it quite easily. Yet, I still want to build another rig, I think it's a disease.

 

Current build.

 

ASUS M5A97

 

AMD FX-6200

 

GSkill 8 GB

 

MSI GTX 460

 

So, I'm trying to decide on the AMD 8350, i5 3570k, or possibly a i7 3770k. I'm still relatively new to this so I'm still wondering which choice is best? It's hard to tell from reading anything online as it always looks like a fanboy flame war. I'll be using the system for a bit of everything, Gaming, video editing, and a home theater. All of those chips get great customer reviews, I just wonder if Intel is really that much better than AMD? Here are the parts I'm leaning towards right now.

 

MoBo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157344

 

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

 

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239046

 

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104371

 

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

 

GPU: Haven't decided. GTX 670, GTX 680, or HD7970

 

Case: Haven't decided. Thinking about going with a full tower.

 

Already have optical drives and a decent cooler.

 

I'll also be adding a second HDD sometime down the line.

 

 

For my second project, I'm looking to upgrade my Mothers old E Machines heap. It's a ET1831-01. My plan as of now is to pick up a AM3+ Micro ATX board and transfer the CPU, GPU, and PSU from my current rig to her old case.

 

Anyone have a recommendation for a good Micro ATX board? I'd like to stay away from ASUS as I've had pretty bad luck with them.

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Would much rather see you going with this motherboard for an Intel build and staying far away from ASROCK...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128549

 

Also if you're going to spend the $$ go for the i7 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502

 

Save some $$ with this RAM > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568

 

Put the $$ you'll save on RAM toward a little better PSU > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011

 

Case? I have one of these and LOVE it! > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225 I picked up mine at MicroCenter for $169 some time back

Here's another nice case from Cooler Master > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119245

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

 

 

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as an amd fanboy, i have to say go with intel. intel is simply blowing the pants off amd performance-wise right now.

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Would much rather see you going with this motherboard for an Intel build and staying far away from ASROCK...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128549

 

Also if you're going to spend the $$ go for the i7 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502

 

Save some $$ with this RAM > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568

 

Put the $$ you'll save on RAM toward a little better PSU > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011

 

Case? I have one of these and LOVE it! > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225 I picked up mine at MicroCenter for $169 some time back

Here's another nice case from Cooler Master > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119245

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

 

 

Not an AsRock fan? Have you had issues with them? I honestly picked it based on reviews and looks, I want a case with a side window and liked the almost all black look.

 

 

as an amd fanboy, i have to say go with intel. intel is simply blowing the pants off amd performance-wise right now.

 

 

I'm leaning pretty heavily towards Intel, simply because I'd like to see the difference in performance compered to my current build.

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Not an AsRock fan? Have you had issues with them? I honestly picked it based on reviews and looks, I want a case with a side window and liked the almost all black look.

 

Never owned one. I can however say that unless they've improved drastically that they used to be like buying a pair of Walmart brand sneakers compared to a pair of Nike's...

Some of the guys I've known that used them were extremely disappointed. Asrock is an off-shoot of Asus and I've always considered them as a "B" rated Asus board.

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

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Never owned one. I can however say that unless they've improved drastically that they used to be like buying a pair of Walmart brand sneakers compared to a pair of Nike's...

Some of the guys I've known that used them were extremely disappointed. Asrock is an off-shoot of Asus and I've always considered them as a "B" rated Asus board.

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

 

 

LOL, I used to buy a pair of $17 Walmart sneakers every year around Memorial day. I'd wear them for the weekend of camping and then use them for work every day for the next year. They were great.

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For the socket 1155 boards, yes.The absolute latest and greatest is the X79 chipset for the socket 2011 boards, CPU's for those will cost you dearly...

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

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Few questions; what is the total realistic budget, are you planning to overclock the CPU/RAM, and is this a gaming rig, or used for some gaming as well as other tasks?

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For the socket 1155 boards, yes.The absolute latest and greatest is the X79 chipset for the socket 2011 boards, CPU's for those will cost you dearly...

 

 

 

 

:geezer:

 

Just looked up those chips. :yikes:

 

Few questions; what is the total realistic budget, are you planning to overclock the CPU/RAM, and is this a gaming rig, or used for some gaming as well as other tasks?

 

Budget is flexible since I will be buying stuff as I can but I was thinking anywhere from $1,000 to 1,500. I would like to dive into overclocking, I've done the OC with TurboV on my current PC but I would much rather learn how to do it correctly. It will be used for gaming, some editing (After Effects, Vegas, etc...), and also as a Home Theater.

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CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

This would be my $1k build..... The 3570k is just the Corvette of CPU's right now, beats all the stuff on the road that you will ever come in contact with on a daily basis, might not be a Lambo, but then again, it costs significantly less, and will still throw you back in your seat!!!

 

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568

In gaming, I have yet to see one situation where 16GB has EVER EVER EVER had any benefit AT ALL. However, with a thousand dollars to spend, why not? Future proofing? LMAO This stuff clocks well, and should hit 2200+ on cas 11 timings.....

 

 

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157294

This ASRock board is a good (simple too for noobs) overclocker with stable VRM's, and the "XFAST" features are a proven performance increase! This board will fit nice in the case below!

 

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133187

I just love this case for HTPC/Gamer!!!

 

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017

I have personally owned SEVERAL OCZ power supplies, and unless something has changed in the last couple years, they are hands down the best bang for the buck when going mid to high-end systems and not spending a fortune.

 

GPU:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161406

TRUST ME!!! This 7850 will get it done!!!

This is ALL you will need for a while if you are using the system with a TV. At 1080P, this thing will run anything. I have been testing out a 7770 that my brother just put in his 3570k system, and with mild overclocks, it runs any and every game we have tried at 1080p, max settings!

Best part is, it won;t use a ton of power, and it is such a good price/performance value!

 

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193

It's fast, it's on sale for $199, and it's Samsung..... best part is, this is actually big enough to USE!!!

 

 

And there you go, a $1k system that looks awesome, is stupid fast (especially when overclocking that CPU, my bro has hit 4.8Ghz with his), and it will serve as a nice HTPC, yet still use a normal power supply, and a micro ATX board. It will also run ANY game out....

 

Let me know what you think.... if I was going to spend a little more on my new build ($600 budget on mine), I would build this....

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Thanks a lot Agent for all the time you put into your recommendations, I really appreciate it.

 

That looks like a pretty sweet system, I've toyed around with the idea of going with one of those small cases as they just look nice, especially when using it as an HTPC. But I think I want to stick to at least a mid tower and maybe even a full tower to allow for future upgrades, like maybe a crossfire/SLI setup down the road a bit.

 

Being a car guy and a technician, I love your Corvette analogy for the CPU. The 3570k is what I'm leaning towards right now.

 

Have you used AsRock boards in the past? The reviews on Newegg look pretty good for the boards I've looked at but I have been advised to stay away.

 

The PSU and GPU will probably be my first purchases. I'm going to drop them in my current build with the FX-6200 for the time being. I think I'm going to go a bit overkill on the PSU for now as well just so I know there will be enough power and connections for future upgrades. Was looking at the 7870, you can pick one up for around $250 right now and would be a monster in crossfire.

 

What kind of games are you guys playing? BF3?

 

Once again, thanks for putting in all the time with those recommendations.

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BF3, Far Cry 3, pretty much the two faves out there right now. Can't run them on my current system, but my bro has them both and they run excellent on his 3570k/hd7770 setup. In my opinion the 7850 in crossfire is your best bet, it's a $380 combo, versus a $500 combo, spend the $120 towards better psu and/or case, or an even bigger SSD.

To me the Cougar Challenger is just SICK if you like flashy window cases....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811553008

 

Remember also that the 7850 overclocks like nobody's business, I see 12-1300 core clocks all the time with some voltage. Two of those together walks over a 7970 with a CPU overclock (the higher the CPU, the closer you get to 100% crossfire efficiency)

 

Again, two 7850's is $380 shipped, and it will walk over a 680, and a 7970, and with overclocking both cards you are talking about a serious power house.....

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This graph is on stock 860 cores.... take a look at the overclock below, they will ALL do this with a little voltage... most with do a little more!

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Imagine what that does in crossfire????

 

As far as ASRock boards go.... I remember a few years back building systems and avoiding those boards like the plague, everyone said they were garbage, however, more recently, they have come A LONG WAYS from where they were. I have done a lot of research on this, and ASRock is now a househould competitor in the motherboard industry. The only thing they make is motherboards, and when you only do one thing, you better start doing it right, or stop doing it, and that is what they did!

 

If it makes any difference to you, I am personally going to use an ASRock A85X board on my APU system build I am doing soon.

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if only crossfire didn't suck so bad with driver support. i run 6870's in crossfire.

 

regarding asrock: i will never buy one of their boards.

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if only crossfire didn't suck so bad with driver support. i run 6870's in crossfire.

 

regarding asrock: i will never buy one of their boards.

What driver issues are you having with the 6870's? I have heard good things about 12.6+ with the 7 series cards(outside of some reports of what people are calling "micro-stutter"), but have not looked into crossfiring for 6 series. I will say though, that the dual graphics combining 6 series and the 7 series APU iGP has been very successful, which uses the same technology. I know that early on Crysis 2 had problems, and was actually getting lower framerates, but has been corrected now. Batman Arkham City does not use crossfire at all (doesn't appear to be demanding enough to really need it). Not sure of other titles.....

 

 

Why would you not buy an ASRock board? The Extreme4 and Extreme6 boards have been highly praised by reviewers on all the AM3+, FM1/2, and Z77 offerings.

Just wondering if you had bad results or something, or just don't trust them? I noticed you said "will never buy" verses "never buy another"...

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What kind of frames is your brother getting on BF3? Has he tried it while just running one of the cards? I won't be picking BF3 up for PC since I already have it on meh XBAWX but I'll definitely be wanting to play BF4 when that comes out.

 

I think you're right about Arkham City, It plays pretty smooth on my GTX 460, so I don't think it's too demanding.

 

Have you tried DayZ at all? I've played a lot of it and outside of the hackers, it's a lot of fun.

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With one 7770, it is running BF3, ultra setting, 1680x1050, getting 35-65 fps, it's an impressive little card for $125! It will do the highest quality settings with no AA and 16xAF on 1080p (if I rem, and get the same framerate..... and honestly, that game owns graphically, it is VERY dumbed down on the X-Box porting.....

 

It's funny, if you really want to save some cash and get some power, (2) 7770's in crossfire with overclocks will run right with a 7950, and will only cost you $250 tops! They scale in the 90-100% range because current CPU's can actually push two cards now.

 

I remember the early days of crossfire around 2005-2006. The X1900XT was the king card, and it was about $500 on sale. People were just starting to run dual cores, and if they wanted more graphics power their only option was to get another video card..... what it got them was about a 15-30% performance increase. Yes drivers were an issue, but even after driver development was better, they still only ever saw 40-50% boosts. I ran a 7900GT SLI setup in those days with similar scaling of about 25-30%....

My theory on this is? CPU's of the time were not able to push two GPU's, let alone the one. Go look what older cards do on newer CPU's with overclocks. Now we can actually pair low-mid range cards, and get 100% performance increase!!!

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Pretty sweet to run with a 7950 at ANY resolution for $200 after rebates huh???

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Just posting to weigh in on the ASrock board and why they are still in business. Used to buy them based on their budget year back and every last one of them died prematurely. The ones that lasted long enough to make it to my ebay sales I would have to warranty for 30 days myself or they wouldn't even sell (of them I had to give money back for dead boards twice). So yes I've had ASrock and NO I will likely never buy one again. Quite honestly don't even care if they are better than they used to be, getting screwed by a brand tends to stay with you.

 

I will almost exclusively buy Gigabyte boards for last several years (usually for amd machines). Always recommend them too.

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With one 7770, it is running BF3, ultra setting, 1680x1050, getting 35-65 fps, it's an impressive little card for $125! It will do the highest quality settings with no AA and 16xAF on 1080p (if I rem, and get the same framerate..... and honestly, that game owns graphically, it is VERY dumbed down on the X-Box porting.....

 

It's funny, if you really want to save some cash and get some power, (2) 7770's in crossfire with overclocks will run right with a 7950, and will only cost you $250 tops! They scale in the 90-100% range because current CPU's can actually push two cards now.

 

I remember the early days of crossfire around 2005-2006. The X1900XT was the king card, and it was about $500 on sale. People were just starting to run dual cores, and if they wanted more graphics power their only option was to get another video card..... what it got them was about a 15-30% performance increase. Yes drivers were an issue, but even after driver development was better, they still only ever saw 40-50% boosts. I ran a 7900GT SLI setup in those days with similar scaling of about 25-30%....

My theory on this is? CPU's of the time were not able to push two GPU's, let alone the one. Go look what older cards do on newer CPU's with overclocks. Now we can actually pair low-mid range cards, and get 100% performance increase!!!

 

 

Pretty sweet to run with a 7950 at ANY resolution for $200 after rebates huh???

 

 

I think I would be better off picking up a second GTX 460 than buying two new 7770's, since they perform about the same and I already have a 460. Although the 460 is much more power hungry.

 

 

Just posting to weigh in on the ASrock board and why they are still in business. Used to buy them based on their budget year back and every last one of them died prematurely. The ones that lasted long enough to make it to my ebay sales I would have to warranty for 30 days myself or they wouldn't even sell (of them I had to give money back for dead boards twice). So yes I've had ASrock and NO I will likely never buy one again. Quite honestly don't even care if they are better than they used to be, getting screwed by a brand tends to stay with you.

 

I will almost exclusively buy Gigabyte boards for last several years (usually for amd machines). Always recommend them too.

 

That's about how I feel about ASUS right now. Even though they are supposed to be one of the best, I've had two bad boards this year. 1 DOA and one early failure. Now that I know AsRock is an offshoot of ASUS, I'll probably steer clear and try a Gigabyte.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has anyone done any business with Tiger Direct?

 

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5736415&CatId=7387

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Thanks CB, I had never heard of Superbiiz before, I'll keep an eye on them for deals too. I'm just planning on buying things while they are on sale.

 

That 7970 for $350 from Tiger looked like a pretty good deal to me.

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Agree w/ CB on that too, use Egg mostly, only hit Tiger if they have sales.

 

The second 460 should work nice for you, especially if only 1 monitor. I'm still running a 470 and for the price to get something that will do better, just doesn't make sense yet.

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I was trying out some over clocking last night and I noticed my voltages from the PSU dropping as low as 10.9v. The 5v was dropping into the 3's.

 

I guess that's why you don't buy a cheap :filtered: PSU. Looks like I know what my first purchase will be.

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