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Neither "I" nor "we" are playing a game.

 

Any unsupported answer I might give would effectively be relegated to the status of unsubstantiated opinion.

 

Aside from that, we touched on the basics of this in the previous thread.

 

oh i see all you wanted was to post some bible scriptures to make you feel good.. :surrender:

 

oh well don't say i didn't try and start a theological discussion with you.. :nana:

 

I tend to think the muslim god has a different view of humans than the Christian God

joe c how can the same god have different views? if it is the same god.

 

it's only man's understanding that changes. ;)

 

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This has quickly gone off topic. As noted previously, I have participated strictly by the rules, both with the first thread and this one.

Any meaningful discussion about theology cannot be had exclusively in the absence of Scripture. To attempt to do so deprives the discussion of the necessary frame of reference.

I am not the one who called another a "liar and hypocrite". This is a personal attack and baiting. I am not the one who called another a "self righteous" "filtered" (I typed the word "filtered". I did not violate the rules of the forum with the attempted use of inappropriate language). This is a personal attack and baiting. I am not the one who consistently endeavored to sabotage someone elses thread by twisting the answers to questions freely asked. I am not the one who (thoughtlessly and disrespectfully) repeatedly subjected others (namely myself) to mockery and ridicule. This is not how one challenges the point of view or opinion of another thoughtfully and respectfully. All knew their freely asked questions would be (and were) supplied with relevant answers supported by relevant Scripture. If this voluntary exchange is to be considered "spam" because I responded expediently (in a timely manner) to questions freely asked, there is most assuredly something wrong here. No one was forced to enter this or the other thread. If they did/do not like the subject matter. They are equally free to forgo participating in the discussion. Playing dog pile on the rabbit is not what reasonable, thoughtful, respectful and courteous adults do. Additionally, this individual (with a history of violating the rules) has not been held accountable in any way for their current actions which clearly violate the rules of the forum. This is a double standard. Quite reasonably, I believe the rules of the forum should be justly applied to any who violate them. If I am to be held to this double standard, we may as well toss the rules out the window.

Please note, although succinct, my disagreement with your assessment of this matter has been stated thoughtfully, respectfully and courteously. As before, out of appropriate respect for authority I have dealt honestly and honorably with all.

I humbly thank you for your time.

Note: Edited to correct an oversight in punctuation.

 

How do you "know" what disciplinary actions, if any, have taken place towards another member? You dare to post in judgement of the Staff for practicing double standards when all that you know is that what you wanted done seemingly did not occur. I missed the memo stating that we were to follow your direction, Mr Kojak.

 

In addition, after examination by the Staff here, let me enlighten you to a conclusion reached earlier. You were not personnally attacked in the other thread. Another member clearly spelled out through factual logic and posted documentation his conclusive evidence to label you a liar and a hypocrite for specifics that were posted by you. You chose no defense or evidence to disprove the evidence as posted. If you were personnally attacked, it would come as no surprise to any member of this forum to see me or any other member of the Staff stepping in to enforce the rules of the forum.

 

You also, obviously, need to reread my previous post. No one is restricted from posting a religious passage in addition to their own discussion of the topic. It is those posts that contain religious passages exclusively that will be viewed as Spam.

 

For whatever reason, you wanted attention, so now you've got it. Use it wisely.

 

I wish you well

 

:)Y

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This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first:

 

John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

 

Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's butt with us."

 

Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His butt?"

 

John: "If you kiss Hank's butt, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the snot out of you."

 

Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

 

John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His butt."

 

Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

 

Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the butt?"

 

Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

 

John: "Then come kiss Hank's butt with us."

 

Me: "Do you kiss Hank's butt often?"

 

Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."

 

Me: "And has He given you a million dollars?"

 

John: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."

 

Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

 

Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the snot out of you."

 

Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's butt, left town, and got the million dollars?"

 

John: "My mother kissed Hank's butt for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

 

Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

 

John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

 

Me: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

 

Mary: "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street."

 

Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?"

 

John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"

 

Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

 

John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's butt He'll kick the snot out of you."

 

Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..."

 

Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

 

Me: "Then how do you kiss His butt?"

 

John: "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His butt. Other times we kiss Karl's butt, and he passes it on."

 

Me: "Who's Karl?"

 

Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's butt. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

 

Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His butt, and that Hank would reward you?"

 

John: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."

 

 

From the Desk of Karl

1.Kiss Hank's butt and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.

2.Use alcohol in moderation.

3.Kick the snot out of people who aren't like you.

4.Eat right.

5.Hank dictated this list Himself.

6.The moon is made of green cheese.

7.Everything Hank says is right.

8.Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.

9.Don't use alcohol.

10.Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.

11.Kiss Hank's butt or He'll kick the snot out of you.

 

Me: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."

 

Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."

 

Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

 

John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

 

Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

 

Mary: "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."

 

Me: "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the snot out of people just because they're different?"

 

Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

 

Me: "How do you figure that?"

 

Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

 

Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

 

John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

 

Me: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

 

John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

 

Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

 

Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

 

Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted*. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."

 

John: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"

 

Me: "We do?"

 

Mary: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so."

 

Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"

 

John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

 

Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

 

Mary: She blushes.

 

John: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

 

Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"

 

John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

 

Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"

 

Mary: She looks positively stricken.

 

John: He's shouting. "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

 

Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

 

Mary: Sticks her fingers in her ears."I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

 

John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."

 

Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."

 

Mary: She faints.

 

John: He catches Mary. "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the snot out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's butt for you, you bunless cut-wienered :filtered:-eater."

 

With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.

 

 

 

:P Sound familiar?

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B):nospys:

 

Thank you for saving all those kittens "Y".

Wise Men aren't always found in the Bible....it appears the Administration here

are quite savvy.

 

Were wise men mentioned in the Bible by the way? I haven't read it myself...although

I did keep a small Gideons under my pillow to ward of Vampires when I was much younger.

Worked pretty good too...no bites.

 

You seem to be in a real rush to get somewhere Kojak .....it's to bad your zooming past a lot of

the good stuff and good people in your haste to get ...?? Whatever?? Wherever??

 

Personally I'd like to say.....no strike that...anything "personal" may be misconstruedilly dooddled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This post has not been edited for grammer or puncuation cause I couldn't be bothered...this is just the internet after all.....no-ones being graded.....well some try.........

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whats a wiener? and do they taste nice with chilli? :drool:

 

:b33r:

 

oh i forgot religious topic..

 

so is karl a prophet?

 

and hank a god?

 

or is it karl's a disciple and hanks the prophet? :unsure:

 

oh who cares anyway just give me the £1,000,000 :tup:

 

:b33r:

 

p.s. christianity says mithraism even tho an older religion changed their beliefs to include a jesus like figure 200 years after christ was born. ;)

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How do you "know" what disciplinary actions, if any, have taken place towards another member? You dare to post in judgement of the Staff for practicing double standards when all that you know is that what you wanted done seemingly did not occur. I missed the memo stating that we were to follow your direction, Mr Kojak.

 

In addition, after examination by the Staff here, let me enlighten you to a conclusion reached earlier. You were not personnally attacked in the other thread. Another member clearly spelled out through factual logic and posted documentation his conclusive evidence to label you a liar and a hypocrite for specifics that were posted by you. You chose no defense or evidence to disprove the evidence as posted. If you were personnally attacked, it would come as no surprise to any member of this forum to see me or any other member of the Staff stepping in to enforce the rules of the forum.

 

You also, obviously, need to reread my previous post. No one is restricted from posting a religious passage in addition to their own discussion of the topic. It is those posts that contain religious passages exclusively that will be viewed as Spam.

 

For whatever reason, you wanted attention, so now you've got it. Use it wisely.

 

I wish you well

 

:)Y

 

 

 

I sought no glory for myself. Had this been my goal, I would not have found it here.

 

The mockery, ridicule and misjudgment of myself by others continues.

 

As I said, "By free will each of you will believe as you see fit, regardless of what I post."

I will waste no time indulging further point-counterpoint contention. Which has no hope of bearing good fruit.

 

 

As referenced below, I both have the example of the Apostle Paul and live it.

 

 

 

Acts 24:14-16 (King James Version)

 

14) But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

 

15) And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

 

16) And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

 

 

 

My conscience is clear.

 

 

 

 

I too wish you well,

 

Kojak

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I sought no glory for myself. Had this been my goal, I would not have found it here.

oh i see you wanted me to have the glory.. :tup:

 

The mockery, ridicule and misjudgment of myself by others continues.

not sure we have misjudged you, after all you start a religious debate topic then don't debate anything, not even the fact if your god is the same one as anybody else's.

 

mockery and ridicule, of course religion is going to be mocked and ridiculed that's the nature of the beast but it doesn't always mean we're mocking you personally.

 

even if we are a bit of leg pulling is fun and doesn't harm anyone. ;)

 

As I said, "By free will each of you will believe as you see fit, regardless of what I post."

I will waste no time indulging further point-counterpoint contention. Which has no hope of bearing good fruit.

think if you want good fruit, you have to go to an orchard. :rolleyes:

 

and the whole point of this topic if your to be believed was to be a point-counter point discussion on religion.

And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

pity your conscience void of all offence to your fellow man only seems to see offence any time someone else opens his mouth. :shrug:

 

My conscience is clear.

i'm glad, but realise this so is mine. ;)

I too wish you well,

all at the pit wish you well, :tup:

 

we're a friendly bunch really, even if argumentative at times. ;)

 

no malice involved by most either during the arguing, just a friendly game of wind up. :rofl2:

 

:b33r:

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Terry,

 

At this point, I know of nothing I could say that would adequately convey the depth of my disappointment,

having been falsely accused and that false accusation subsequently supported by another. Perhaps you can

understand why I would accordingly lose interest in the discussion. Or perhaps not. I don't know.

 

I do know this much. This unsavory turn of events will in no way

deter me from living a life that is acceptable in the sight of God.

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Terry,

 

At this point, I know of nothing I could say that would adequately convey the depth of my disappointment,

having been falsely accused and that false accusation subsequently supported by another. Perhaps you can

understand why I would accordingly lose interest in the discussion. Or perhaps not. I don't know.

 

I do know this much. This unsavory turn of events will in no way

deter me from living a life that is acceptable in the sight of God.

 

Then, I'll put this one to rest as well.

Send me or any member of the Staff a PM, Mr Kojak, if you have a change of heart and wish to reopen and have a discussion with other Pit members within this topic that you started.

 

:)Y

 

edit: wish I could save all the kittens, toke, just too darn many of them. :mrgreen:

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