bonkas Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Heres an article from toms hardware guide testing the new and old AGP cards on an Athlon XP 2500+ http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/10/agp...tform-analysis/ Link to post Share on other sites
SPD FRK Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I sure hope so. All I have is AGP and I needs me a card stat!!! Link to post Share on other sites
RandomX Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 AGP is just about dead. It's only a matter of time before manufacturers just plain stop putting AGP slots on their motherboards. I'm actually surprised that hasn't already happened. The number of new motherboards with AGP slots is certainly dwarfed by the number of boards with PCIE slots, though. Link to post Share on other sites
ineedhelpregularly21 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 that's correct, RandomX. But AGP mobos are still available at Newegg (or some other stores) Link to post Share on other sites
wdeydwondrer Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 hell, you can still buy socket A systems. agp mobos and video cards will still be around for years to come. sure all the new stuff is coming out pci-e, but there's way more out there that uses agp still running out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy3000 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I've got a friend that still uses a Sempron 2800 (Socket A) to play BF2. Since he doesn't play that much, I guess it's okay. He's running a 6600GT AGP video card. Link to post Share on other sites
brandon Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 No card can even use all of the bandwidth PCIe x16 is offering, and not even the newest AGP cards are quite overpowering AGP yet. I think PCIe was looking a little too far into the future. Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy3000 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I would rather have the bandwidth and not need it than to need the bandwidth and not have it. Link to post Share on other sites
aaronlewis89 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 thats point isn't it? A nice comfort zone of 16x Link to post Share on other sites
brandon Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 (edited) I would rather have the bandwidth and not need it than to need the bandwidth and not have it. I can recommend some $50,000 servers for you then. They have all the bandwidth (memory, and otherwise) you need and more. Having too much bandwidth is a waste. If it goes unused, there is no performance gain whatsoever, but there's plenty spare to go unused though. Edited January 11, 2007 by brandon Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy3000 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 (edited) I can recommend some $50,000 servers for you then. They have all the bandwidth (memory, and otherwise) you need and more. Having too much bandwidth is a waste. If it goes unused, there is no performance gain whatsoever, but there's plenty spare to go unused though. How about this, too much bandwidth for the same price as just enough? Another thing, PCIe isn't exclusive to Video Cards. There are devices that do need the bandwidth. Edited January 11, 2007 by Cowboy3000 Link to post Share on other sites
brandon Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 How about this, too much bandwidth for the same price as just enough? Another thing, PCIe isn't exclusive to Video Cards. There are devices that do need the bandwidth. That works too. The only device that could use the bandwidth of PCIe is: Nothing out now, at least for the consumer market. I'm all for added bandwidth, but I'd like to see devices that would put it to good use before I see more bandwidth. Link to post Share on other sites
wdeydwondrer Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 and actually, the too much bandwidth is not really true. there's been multiple reports of high end video cards hogging the pci band to the point where pci audo cards start to 'pop' because the bandwidth is getting to congested to keep up with the audio. but if you figure a quad gpu setup, a psyhics card, and maybe a x1 network card, you've already used more lanes than the mobo has available for pci-e Link to post Share on other sites
brandon Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) and actually, the too much bandwidth is not really true. there's been multiple reports of high end video cards hogging the pci band to the point where pci audo cards start to 'pop' because the bandwidth is getting to congested to keep up with the audio. but if you figure a quad gpu setup, a psyhics card, and maybe a x1 network card, you've already used more lanes than the mobo has available for pci-e Would you happen to be referring to sound cards made by creative that pop & crackle would you? If it is, then that has nothing to do with bandwidth, but lousy bus mastering on the motherboard's part. Edited January 12, 2007 by brandon Link to post Share on other sites
AMDX1325 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Sure AGP is still alive, don't forget those early A64 adopters! and those prescott dudes! I am still using AGP, I play the latest games, bandwidth of AGP did not bother me yet! Link to post Share on other sites
wdeydwondrer Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 not in any specific terms brandon, no. any brand sound card will if chooked enough Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy3000 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 The only device that could use the bandwidth of PCIe is: Nothing out now, at least for the consumer market. How about: High end RAID cards? Link to post Share on other sites
brandon Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) I said for the consumer market, not prosumer, workstation, or server. I mean, to use up all the bandwidth of PCIe x16, you'd need about 66 harddrives with 60MB/s transfer rates all running at the same time. Double that figure if it's bi-directional. I don't want too drag this on, so I'll say this: It's nice to have the bandwidth, but I'd like to see a consumer product that takes advantage of all the bandwidth offered by PCIe. The only things remotely doing so are graphics cards. There's virtually nothing out there for PCIe. It's taken until now just to get things other than video cards designed for PCIe. Edited January 12, 2007 by brandon Link to post Share on other sites
RandomX Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 I suppose one of the best things PCIe has going for it over AGP is that it's full duplex. Link to post Share on other sites
gordesky1 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 (edited) the ony reson i went to pcie motherboard because the prices of the pcie are cheeper than agp lol. i was gona stick with agp my trusty dfi 250gb but i whould of had to pay about 300$ for the x1950pro. which i got a whole new computer that beats for alittle more:) ony got the x1900gt for ony 149$ and it the best card i ever had plays everything maxed:) but i whouldint go back because loveing dual core and the performence:) i still got both my agp systems socket a and my 754 a64 system useing them for backups and media:) also i went right to it is saw this dfi motherboard for ony 54$ on sale:) and its a realy nice ooverclocker still wants to go higher than 2.85ghzs:) but cant because ram holding me back. but if the x1950pro for ago was 200$ or lower i whould of problee stayed with agp. Edited January 14, 2007 by gordesky1 Link to post Share on other sites
wdeydwondrer Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 that's an example of a top end agp card. the top end pcie cards are also very expensive. a 6600gt can be had for under 100 bux and will also play most any game very well. i still use this card and an a64 3500+ to do my gaming. very satisfied. Link to post Share on other sites
gordesky1 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 ya but my x1900gt beats the x1950pro agp:) and i paid allmost 2 times less lol Link to post Share on other sites
aaronlewis89 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 every heard or Crossfire or SLi agp? Link to post Share on other sites
gordesky1 Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 crossfire or sli agp? never herd of it and never seen anything of it Link to post Share on other sites
aaronlewis89 Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 my point exactly Link to post Share on other sites
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