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I see. Your 1973 psych class term paper is supposed to carry more weight than what? :rofl2:

What do I have? More qualification, experience, and education than you in this regard. A lot more.

 

More experience dealing with drugs than Keith...think again Chop! No classes can teach with life's experiences give!

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Five years after cannabis hemp was outlawed in 1937, it was promptly reintroduced for the World War II effort in 1942.

 

So, when the young pilot, George Bush, baled out of his burning airplane after a battle over the Pacific, little did he know:

 

- Parts of his aircraft engine were lubricated with cannabis hempseed oil,

 

- 100% of his life-saving parachute webbing was made from U.S. grown cannabis hemp,

 

- Virtually all the rigging and ropes of the ship that pulled him in were made of cannabis hemp.

 

- The fire hoses on the ship (as were those in the schools he had attended) were woven from cannabis hemp; and finally,

 

- As young George Bush stood safely on the deck, his shoes' durable stitching was of cannabis hemp, as it is in all good leather and military shoes to this day.

 

Yet Bush spent a good deal of his career eradicating the cannabis plant and enforcing laws to make certain that no one will learn this information - possibly including himself.

 

From The Emperor Wears No Clothes

www.jackherer.com

 

 

....and they used to make ships of wood...with sails.....and doctors used filthy knives and no anesthesia....

 

 

Yes, the old "more natural" ways are always much better.

 

 

 

Hemp was and is a good material in a number of applications. So what?

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Hemp could save the world, but you and big business knows what's best for man and mankind.

 

Hemp vs. Cotton For Clothes & Textiles

 

"Hemp fiber bundles are up to fifteen feet long, while cotton fibers are a mere three-quarters of an inch, which reportedly gives hemp eight times the tensile strength and four times the durability of cotton. Hemp has a natural luster and takes dyes beautifully, due to its superior absorbency."1

 

"Much of the groundwater tested in agricultural regions around the world has been contaminated by runoff from pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers. Already 15,000 lakes in the United States are so contaminated that nothing can live in them."1

 

"The pesticide king is cotton. Cotton is adapted to a wide range of uses, and it spins easily, but the environmental costs of cotton cultivation are incalculable. Cotton is grown on 3% of the earths best arable land and uses a whopping 26% of the worlds pesticides. It is a demanding crop that requires heavy irrigation and consumes more than 7% of the fertilizer used annually. It exhausts the soil, but is widely grown by developing countries desperate for a cash crop to pay international debts."1

 

"An acre of land will produce about 1000 pounds of primary hemp fiber, about 2 or 3 more times fiber than cotton. Fiber comes right off the plant ready to comb and use."4

 

"With few insect enemies and little competition from weeds, hemp is a much better candidate than cotton to produce a high quality, sustainable and organcially grown fiber.".

 

Hemp as A Food Source

 

"Recent interest in the hemp seed as a food source arises from the awareness of the nutritional need for Omega-6 and Omega-3 essential fatty acids, as well as the need for cheap sources of protein to feed a burgeoning world population. Because the seeds contain both types of essential fatty acids and a high quality protein, the hemp plant is well suited to meeting these demands." 5

 

Hemp as A Fuel Source

 

"In the early 1900's, Henry Ford and other futuristic, organic, engineering geniuses, (as their intellectual scientific heirs still do today) recognized an important point - that up to 90% of all fossil fuel (coal, oil, natural gas, etc.) used in the world today - should long ago have been replaced with biomass such as: cornstalks, cannabis, waste paper and the like." 3

 

"Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol or gasoline at a fraction of the current cost of oil, coal, or nuclear energy - especially when environmental costs are factored in - and its mandated use would end acid rain, end sulfur-based smog and reverse the green house effect on our planet right now!" 3

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More experience dealing with drugs than Keith...think again Chop! No classes can teach with life's experiences give!

 

 

Classes?

 

I am speaking of clinical experience. How much does he have?

 

 

In this regard he knows one person...himself.

 

 

He has more experience with drugs and knows more about drugs than me? No way.

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The health affects of recreational use aside, there are far more reasons to decriminalize the substance than keep it in the WAD.

 

For a side by side comparisson the negative impacts are arguably equal to alcohol and niccotine products healthwise, and socially they are possiblly less so.

 

From a best health intrests view no recreational substances should be allowed; from social engineering point of view it is ineffective and perhaps more detrimental to try and regulate this behavior through harsh criminal penalties.

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If people don't want to believe me, then perhaps a board certified addiction specialist could have some weight?

 

 

Surely one would agree such a person has more experience and knowledge than any of us...

 

 

After all, the very article cited in the first post...the one this thread is about....was created by such experts.

 

But I guess some people pick their experts according to how much they like what the expert says.....

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I don't believe the "findings" at all. Pretty much the only difference in tobacco, (which DOES cause cancer), and weed is the active ingrediants, (THC & nicotine). They're both plants putting out the same crap when burned and i would think that the fact that when you smoke weed, it would be worse simply because when you inhale it, you hold it in MUCH longer. Anyone thats smoked it can tell you that alot of times, very little comes out when you exhale. Where'd it go?

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people don't want to believe you, because there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

Overwhelming evidence to the contrary? Bull. :lol:

 

If that is really what people think...then I am sorry for them...it is simply wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by and large the vast majority of opinions here is that the good far outweigh the bad in the case of marijuana.

And that is an error, a serious one in my view.

 

 

What's worse is that when people do chime in they are beaten down, even when they have the kind of long term personal experience that seems to carry weight.

 

The plain fact is that even if there was a risk your head would explode when using the stuff, the kind of people that ignore all this would do it anyway...simply because they want to.

 

It isn't popular to be against marijuana abuse (use...whatever). That is it. That is all those people have on their side.

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The problem with this issue (both sides of it) are the same as with the Global Warming issue in the political forum- and perhaps this is a candidate for that section.

 

There is quite a bit of evidence that is empirical demonstrating that Marijuana is bad or potentially so... unfortunately alot of that evidence and research has been marred by biased and politicized science.

 

Where is the 'junk' science in this? I could not and would not qualify myself too say as I am a layman in pharmacological issues.... I am also not as passionately concerned about it. I do recal however from some very rigrous debate and research classes from college (not so long ago) it was found that much of the "research" that is used to support the bans for health reasons was conducted in order to prove how aweful the stuff is- which of course led to preconcieved outcomes.

 

Not that a true scientist or doctor would acknowledge this as valid, but one with a moral stance certainly might, and that is all a politician or activist/marketer needs to "prove" their case. Doctors used too hawk cigarettes for christssake.

 

Ergo, we are told it's bad and horrible- which may be a perfectly valid point; but at the same time activists are debunking the source data, and revealing a hypocracy between marijuana and other substances that are commonly used for adult recreation that are perfectly legal and of more dubious effect on one's health.

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Well chop can talk until he's blue in the face and he will never convince me otherwise...as far as clinical research goes...it seem every day some old finding get proven wrong...no I think I'll have to go with life's experiences to teach me! And Keith has probably been around more drug addicts and alcoholics than everyone at this forum put together!

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And Keith has probably been around more drug addicts and alcoholics than everyone at this forum put together!

 

 

Quite a qualification. But those addicts and alcoholics could say the same thing....and they are addicts and alcoholics anyway....

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Pray tell, what are the hospitalizations due to weed use...and I don't mean weed with poisons laced in them? A burned finger????? :rolleyes: I personally have never heard of ODing on weed but you can die from drinking too much water! :blink:

 

 

Here they are.

 

http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k5/MJstateTrend...stateTrends.htm

 

primary marijuana admission rate

That means they were admitted for marijuana use...not for the "burned finger" or "poisons" you suggest.
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Well chop can talk until he's blue in the face and he will never convince me otherwise...as far as clinical research goes...it seem every day some old finding get proven wrong...no I think I'll have to go with life's experiences to teach me! And Keith has probably been around more drug addicts and alcoholics than everyone at this forum put together!

 

Well I wouldn't bet on that if I were you.

 

I won't be going into too many personal details, but I am a recovering addict, my wife is a recovering addict, I have 6 years of state correctional institution experience, I have had four close friends contract HIV, two of them died from AID's, two died from hepatitus, 3 friends who died from overdoses (herion and cocaine), at least four who died in car accidents, two who are crippled for life, one who has a sponge for a brain who damaged his brain so badly he will do no better then collect disabilty for the rest of his life, several old friends who are still in prison, one who was deported back to Canada.........those are just a few of the things I have experienced and the type folks I used to associate with, and that is without going into detail.

 

I am sure Kieth has a lot of experience, but to think he has more then everyone here all rolled up together is a pretty big statement.

 

I have far more experience with drugs and the related problems then I would wish on my worst enemy, and I would never think I have more then everyone put together. ;)

 

Needless to say, I have a whole different set of friends today.

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chop, c'mon, at least know what you're posting up. you're posting up data for people that entered rehabilitation, not injury due to the problem.

 

 

 

 

I think it is you who does not know what you are reading actually, I certainly know what I have posted. Those are not rehab figures. Those are admissions with the primary reason fror admission being marijuana use. In many cases that is for rehab, but also in many cases not. You have apparently assumed those are all rehab admissions.

 

 

Are you looking for such things as statistics relating marijuana use and auto accidents such as the stats we see for alcohol? Is that what you are looking for?

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I am sure Kieth has a lot of experience, but to think he has more then everyone here all rolled up together is a pretty big statement.

 

I have far experience with drugs and the related problems then I would wish on my worst enemy, and I would never think I have more then everyone put together. ;)

 

Needless to say, I have a whole different set of friends today.

 

 

It would seem that by Pit standards we have another expert. Is it not telling that he no longer associates with other "experts"?

 

Glad things are better for you now Bruce.

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I am sure Kieth has a lot of experience, but to think he has more then everyone here all rolled up together is a pretty big statement.

If you read what I said then you would have read that I said that Keith has probably been around more drug addicts and alcoholics than everyone put together on this forum...NOT MORE EXPERIENCE.

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I feel like I need to step in here and defend myself. I'm not claiming I have more experience with this than anyone here (unlike some people), but just so you don't think I'm talking out of my :filtered:, let me tell you my story.

 

For 8 & 1/2 years I was involved with The Salvation Army Adult Rehabilitation Center in Youngstown, Ohio, from April 10, 1992 to October 20, 2000. The first year was spent there as a recovering alcoholic/addict where when first admitted I damned near died. After my first year there I was hired to be the payroll processor but continued to live there. During my first and moreso into my second year there, I was asked to double as what they called "Houseman", which was basically an assistant to the Counseling Department, and a babysitter when everyone else went home at the end of the day. While in this role I was privvy to everyone's admission records, I tested returning clients for alcohol and drug consumption and I had the power to kick them the hell out if they tested positive, I conducted several of the AA and NA meetings. I began to be a role model there for the ones who were striving to free themselves of their addictions to drugs and alcohol. Two years after I was admitted to the rehab facility near death, I moved out on my own but continued to be closely involved with the clients in the rehab facility.

 

Of the 8 & 1/2 years of my involvement with The Salvation Army Adult Rehabilitation Center I saw a great many people come and go, very probably in the several hundreds, but to the best of my knowledge NOT ONE of these people was ever admitted into the rehab facility with an addiction to marijuana. NOT ONE. It was mostly alcohol or crack, sometimes heroin and other addictive drugs, and only after they were detoxed at an accredited medical facility. Not one of these individuals were admitted into the Salvation Army ARC with an addiction to marijuana.

 

Once again, I'm not claiming to know it all, far from it. All I'm saying is that the difference between the results of a great deal of this so-called medical research, and real life experiences that I have seen with my own two eyes, it just seems to me to be as different as night is to day.

 

I'll never believe the results of research that has been conducted by a profession that is so vehemently against the use or legality of an herb that does not, from my experience, deserve the stigmata that has been attached to it by the medical profession.

 

I really didn't think I needed to say any of this before but I've been steadily getting the impression that someone here is trying their damnedest to make me out to be an idiot who doesn't know his :filtered: from a hole in the ground, and I don't very much appreciate that.

 

 

My .02 cents worth, -kd5-

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I've been steadily getting the impression that someone here is trying their damnedest to make me out to be an idiot who doesn't know his :filtered: from a hole in the ground,

Sitting on the fence as usal K. :lol:

 

Seriously. Congrats on beating your own demons and helping others. :)

 

Me? Been using the stuff off and on for around 35 years, make of it what you will.

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19 pages on smoking herb, looks to me like a few of you may possibily be shall i say a bit distracted.

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substance "abuse",

 

what are the limitations on abuse, is it one beer a week, or one or two joints a day, i think any rite mind would know if you smoke it, you are infact abusing it, susbstance abuse is when you actually need the stuff, weither if you need to get high or just plain floating, its still abuse, meaning all who use it are infact addicts!

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It would seem that by Pit standards we have another expert. Is it not telling that he no longer associates with other "experts"?

 

Glad things are better for you now Bruce.

 

I don't claim to be an expert at anything. I only know about my "personal" experiences. Like kd5, I give my personal experiences far more weight then statistics, and things I have read in books.

 

Things are certainly better for me now. I stopped letting the doctors, and so called drug rehabs "medicate" me and found better ways to stay to clean. :tup::adios:

 

Edit BTW, yes I found a new set of friends, however you are dead wrong about not associating with what you call other experts. You see when the doctors failed, the counselors failed, the rehabs failed, the courts failed.............it was the other experts who got me clean.

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