FrankenBox Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 (edited) Yes- point conceded, however it stands that the relationship with Isreal is still more stable from a strategic point of view than with any existing Arab nation. There are some that bear consideration (UAE, Qatar as examples) because of their willingness to participate in the world community cooperatively and peacefully. IIRC Palestine was a judgement error made by old Lawrence who reasoned that making promises of territory to a couple of previously feuding royal cousins to buy a short term military alliance wasn't a bad idea as it would be likely that one or more would be eliminated before it came time to uphold the claims... My clarity of memory on the subject isn't great but my Prof. of Islamic Civ got the basic principles of the conflict across quite well. The present conflict stems from the fact that a particular branch of that family basically was betrayed and their 'legitimate' claim denied... the groups have sprung from that. -Should say: "Point taken" The tricky part is that now we are pretty well in bed with whatever political decendants of the Zionists are in place and it is apparently more trouble than it's worth to back out on them... In reality there are very few middle eastern nations with whom the US should be trying to make good. The above mentioned examples are perhaps the few that are emerging successfully... I hope current policy makers to try to meddle with their internal politics anymore than they have. Edited February 23, 2006 by FrankenBox Link to post Share on other sites
moon Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Yes- point conceded, however it stands that the relationship with Isreal is still more stable from a strategic point of view than with any existing Arab nation. It didn't have to be. America's guilt begins with American Zionists seeing a quick and easy slice of someone else's territory. Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) The record needs to be set straight before a permanent resolution can found. Just about to go forward and read the couple of days I've missed but I feel it's necessary to respond to this sentiment. I think you're wrong. And I'll say this to Jews and Muslims and Americans and Canadians and Tibetans and Chinese and Pakistanis and Indians and whoever else wants to listen: Justice is a mature ambition. It does not consist of settling scores. Somebody's got to make the first move and it won't be the president or prime minister. It'll be us. Sooner or later, it'll be us. It always is. As it should be. I Edited February 23, 2006 by Iain Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Just about to go forward and read the couple of days I've missed but I feel it's necessary to respond to this sentiment. I think you're wrong. And I'll say this to Jews and Muslims and Americans and Canadians and Tibetans and Chinese and Pakistanis and Indians and whoever else wants to listen: Justice is a mature ambition. It does not consist of settling scores. Somebody's got to make the first move and it won't be the president or prime minister. It'll be us. Sooner or later, it'll be us. It always is. As it should be. I Are you siding with Moons edemoracy? I certainly do! Link to post Share on other sites
moon Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Drat ! It was going so well. Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Drat ! It was going so well. Nevermind, Mate, the Poor ooold Doog is not that bad? Link to post Share on other sites
FrankenBox Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Iain are you okay?! You are making points that I find are remarkably agreeable.... Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Iain are you okay?! You are making points that I find are remarkably agreeable.... You mean edomacracy has a chance? Link to post Share on other sites
moon Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Nevermind, Mate, the Poor ooold Doog is not that bad? I've seen worse mate. Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Iain are you okay?! I'm Ok, You're OK. Dib Dib. I Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm Ok, You're OK. Dib Dib. I I can see some Mates that would it be nice to Ride the edemocracy River with! Link to post Share on other sites
FrankenBox Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well, as long as we limit the topic of conversation to Politico/Economic debate, and not Socio-Moralistic stances I think we are all good to go. I like the idea of River Rafting though. Link to post Share on other sites
moon Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) Nothing wrong with a bit of Socio-moralising. Here's a good example; The ( Israeli) forces fired rubber coated bullets and sprayed tear gas at the protesters. The protest delayed construction work at the site by several hours. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/686587.html This kind of brutality is, apparently, one of the shared values of American Christians; ( Remember, the wall is illegal and the International Court of Justice have ruled that it be demolished, NOT continued ) "We see Christians in the United States as true friends and important supporters on the basis of shared values, and we welcome their efforts to strengthen the ties between Israel and the U.S.," Israeli Ambassador to the United States Danny Ayalon said Wednesday. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/686241.html Some American Christians ought to club together for Mr. Danny Ayalon's return ticket. Edited February 23, 2006 by moon Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well, as long as we limit the topic of conversation to Politico/Economic debate, and not Socio-Moralistic stances I think we are all good to go. I like the idea of River Rafting though. I am thinking of forming a River Rafting edemocracy Club for Moon, anone interested? PM me! Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 man, y'all are getting soft on this topic. ? Why? Can't ye ride the River, Mate? Link to post Share on other sites
FrankenBox Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't think soft so much as on common ground in principle... I think generally everyone agrees that what the Palestinians and Irealis are doing too eachother is bad... understandable and even in a bizarre perspective justifieable, but still bad. OTOH, I think that there is still plenty of room for contention over who needs to recieve a share of the blame. Drover is just suggesting a big raft trip so we can eventually push eachother over the gunwales and laugh. Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't think soft so much as on common ground in principle... I think generally everyone agrees that what the Palestinians and Irealis are doing too eachother is bad... understandable and even in a bizarre perspective justifieable, but still bad. OTOH, I think that there is still plenty of room for contention over who needs to recieve a share of the blame. Drover is just suggesting a big raft trip so we can eventually push eachother over the gunwales and laugh. You got me there, Mate! Only way to resolve this Garbage is for a few Really Adventurists to go onto a Wild River Trip, Mate! Don't know where there we can get it? Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 let me stop by the ammo shop beforehand. Why the heck would you need that for? Ride the River doesn't have GUNS! Just Common Sense! Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 exactly, it doesn't have guns, that's why i need to bring one. You never have, nor ever will Ride the River with me, Mate! Guns are Taboo! Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) good thing, too...you wouldn't be coming back in one piece if ya did. hollow points can do wonders. put a canvas behind your head, and it'd be modern art. Nice thinking people like you really help this World, Mate! Maybe that is because it is so screwed up? Edited February 23, 2006 by Drovers Dog Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) thanks, mate! You are quite Welcomed, Mate! Aussies are just Aussies! Edited February 23, 2006 by Drovers Dog Link to post Share on other sites
moon Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) Slurring Hamas, Part 1; http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/686833.html Now I don't have any proof that Hamas are not supporting the firing of Quassam rockets and attempting to import longer-range rockets into Israel. The again, I haven't seen any proof that they are. There certainy isn't any in this article. What this article needs is some reference to evidence or a large IMO at the top. From the same Israeli newspaper, same day; The declaration of calm in the territories in January 2005 involved two senior partners: Hamas, which forced members to abstain from terror attacks, and the Palestinian Authority,.. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/686831.html Edited February 24, 2006 by moon Link to post Share on other sites
Drovers Dog Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Slurring Hamas, Part 1; http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/686833.html Now I don't have any proof that Hamas are not supporting the firing of Quassam rockets and attempting to import longer-range rockets into Israel. The again, I haven't seen any proof that they are. There certainy isn't any in this article. What this article needs is some reference to evidence or a large IMO at the top. From the same Israeli newspaper, same day; http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/686831.html One can only Wonder, Mate! Link to post Share on other sites
moon Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 The United Nations is urging donors to provide funds to keep the Palestinian Authority running after Israel starts withholding tax revenues next week, rebuffing the Jewish state's appeal for a suspension of aid, diplomats said on Friday. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/687024.html Sanity. Link to post Share on other sites
FrankenBox Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 As I have mentioned before- it will be "interesting" to see how this one plays out. Link to post Share on other sites
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