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  1. Awesome!!! I want to see it push a 280x really badly.... It's not even listed in the results search on the 3dmark site yet... On another note..... checka diss out http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4206302 Been really trying to push this rig to its max... I'm not sure I even need an upgrade as long as I'm on 1080P.... That little pentium is impressive for a cheap gaming rig though.....
  2. Okay, I can't be the only one drooling at the performance of the 970... especially the per $ value.... JEEZ!!! What a beast...... Do I scoop another dirt cheap 7970/280x, or sell off this 280x while it's got some value left and go for the 970? I'm still thinking of going 4k at tax time, so I know CPU bottlenecking won't be an issue at that res..... but I do wonder about the bottlenecking at 1080, with either scenario. Maybe it would be better to see what 290x does in price, or what AMD puts out to compete, since we are still talking next February,,, Maybe a cheap $120+/- 7970 in addition for now would be a good means to test how my current setup responds to crossfire, and whether I like it or not.... I had considered going with a sub $200 i5 k series CPU, but I am looking at the FireStrike physics scores for them, and it's only a few hundred more points than mine?????? I found several results that confirm these numbers, just take a look... Here is a 4,4GHz i5 4690k with a GTX 970 at 1300MHz core.... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2831290 Here is a SUB 4GHz 1090t with a GTX 970 at 1300MHz core.... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2820819 Here is my latest and greatest FireStrike run on my current setup: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2844101 Keeping in mind that my CPU outperforms the 1090T posted above mine by a good bit (look at my phys score versus the 3.9GHz 1090T and also compare it to the 4.4GHz 4690k!!!!) Would it be safe to assume that I would NOT be bottlenecking that 970??? Maybe two 280x would still kick some butt too? This 1090T seems to still be a very relevant chip when you look at all the numbers for FX6/8 and i3/i5 chips..... I have trolled several 3dmark results and looked at physics scores, and graphics scores alike, and it seems that all this CPU bottlenecking stuff I am hearing is a bunch of jazz.... no? Even crossfire and SLI seem to scale on this chip..... (keep in mind my clocks are high than these, by a LOT) http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2716968 And same cards on an i5.... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2846919 The i5 4690k was THE CHIP I was looking at going to at tax time.... in combination with either 2x280x OR the 970..... NOW I AM SCRATCHING MY FAT HEAD
  3. Awesome, I want one, but worry about GPU bottlenecking.... any signs??
  4. Okay, so I ditched the RAMDISK...... I didn't really know the benefits completely, however I could clearly see it was negatively impacting all of my CPU benchmarks. I don't think it was just the RAM it was using, I believe the additional IO's used to request pagefile information, etc, was impacting things. Really don't know, but I ditched it, and the system is still super fast, so I'm happy. Is there any particular settings, or maintentance that can be done on SSD RAIDs, or SSD's in general when TRIM is not active in Windows 8.1? I read all these different things about not using TRIM, but there is no clear way to manage SSD's, only ways to help keep the performance. I have written and read quite a bit from the drive over the last week, and it still performs flawlessly, and I don't see it shrinking, so am I good to roll out for a while, or is something I need to do or check on a regular basis?? Thanks guys
  5. Are you just lookin for an excuse to read back up on AMD again??? From what I'm finding TRIM is NOT going to happen, however, with my page file, temp files, and browser cache being on my RAMDISK, I don't see much trash building on this drive?? I read a little and the SD1200 and the trash collection seems to be decent, it's the stuff before this gen of drives that didn't do so well......
  6. Hmmm, is this going to work on my old platform?? 1090T @ 4GHz Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 AMD integrated RAID controller 2x OCZ Vertex 2 boot drive My concern is that your post would be a software driver in windows, and would not permit the current raid to boot. I could be TOTALLY off base though....
  7. Well, one of the issues with RAID 0 on SSD's, is that there is no trim support... So what I'm wondering, is the garbage collection done in the background, or at some sort of scheduled maintenance point?? Still not sure what all I can do to keep performance maximized. I am keeping my games, Office Pro 2013, and OS only on the SSD drives, everything else such as docs, pics, movies, etc, are ALL on my HDD storage drive. I am currently using 100GB of 220GB on the SSD RAID array, and that will probably increase another 30-40GB with the next few games I plan on getting, which are BF4, Crysis 3, and Metro Last Light..... I am installing the games to the SSD, because the whole point was to enjoy the load times, or lack there of
  8. Didn't use it for applications like the editor, but did use the same software and creation process... I am noticing slower startups, and shutdowns, but I tend to leave the computer on 24/7 anyways... I am also now using it for my pagefile, but not sure if it's helping or not.... some performance increases are only notable in benchmarks, so I'd have to do more testing before I can tell if this actually helping me or not. It's a mixed bag of opinions when I googled it.....
  9. I've dealt with warranty crap before..... Best companies I have found are AMD, EVGA and XFX.... of course Newegg is decent with RMA.... I've never dealt with Gigabyte or Intel, but Asus, and MSI have both given me grief on GPU's and motherboards..... It's always "did you overclock, over volt, etc...?" Stop advertising how nice your caps and VRM's are, and then telling people they have voided their warranty. If these companies are going to sell overclocked products, advertising how great their cooling, power phases are, etc.... then they are obviously targeting overclockers! I know your case with the shuttle not working is a different story, but none the less, companies in general need to honor warranties.....
  10. I am seriously thinking of building my wife/kids a smaller rig with this chip.... That $100 combo I showed you is an insanely good deal, and the board that it comes with will overclock that particular chip (lots of stories about people getting a board and 3258, and realizing they couldn't OC it on their board). I think a 7870/7950 paired up with it would be awesome for the kids, and it would still have all the CPU power my wife needs for her school work. As far as me using it.... meh..... my 1090T is still a lot more powerful per all the benchmarks I've looked at.
  11. Okay, so I feel like I've crawled out from under a rock..... I got 2x 120GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD's on Craigslist for $60 (yes for the pair!!), both with very little read/writes on them, and in excellent health per SSD-LIFE checker.... I decided to run them in RAID 0 to get a larger overall drive space, and also because these are only SATAII drives, so I figured the stripe would get them a little closer to SIII performance... Then I did a fresh install of WIndows 8.1, setup a 2GB RAMDISK for all of my caches and temp files.... All I can say is.... "WOW!" This is the absolute fastest and smoothest PC experience I have ever had. So much difference it makes with booting, loading, installations, etc. Literally everything about it is night and day! If you are already running SSD's, look into the RAMDISK thing for temp/cache files to reduce read/writes to the drive, and it also works great for game server hosting!! Anyways, just wanted to share my cheap, yet, very high impact upgrade!
  12. TEMPTING ME SO BADLY..... http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/g3258bundle.aspx
  13. I can tell you that this is a SUPER deal for it's OC potential... http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/g3258bundle.aspx And this is pretty modest, simple, and small.... http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147166&cm_re=atx_mini_tower-_-11-147-166-_-Product That's $150 for 4.4GHz or more of haswell processing power, on a reliable board, with a highly rated, well built, smaller form factor case!!! I KNOW there is no shuttle solution I could ever see myself using personally, but I do understand the need for mobility.....
  14. Brown, let us know when you get a board that will clock that Pentium up.... I want to see 4.6++
  15. Is that the G3258 I see???? PLEASE tell me you are going to overclock the tar out of it..... Let us know how it does! That's supposed to be a NICE little gaming chip.
  16. I'm with you! I WOULD DEFINITELY SUGGEST THE G3258 since it overclocks to 4.5GHz+ with it's unlocked multiplier.... That pair of 7870's would be great..... when I suggested the 580's, I was thinking those were a lot more powerful, but I looked at the specs, and they are by far the slower cards... My concern in terms of CF would be bottle-necking. It may be better to get one single and more powerful card, though in the case of your 7870XT, that's not an issue since it's Tahiti As far as the used hardware.... it's hit or miss, but so are used vehicles, and I think we can all assume that a 2010 BMW for $15k is going to be A LOT nicer of a car than a 2014 Nissan Versa for $15k..... When you are running old hardware, and choose not to upgrade because you don't want to buy used, you are essentially continuing to "use," used hardware anyways,
  17. Is that CPU overclocked?? You are probably going to want to run one GPU, as two may be bottlenecked..... however, it never hurts to try!!!! Your PSU will already handle two cards anyways. You playing any certain titles?? You could maybe grab one of the cards for half the price, and grab an SSD drive....
  18. That LEPA for $50 is insane.... it's definitely a miner unloading their hardware though..... If it comes with even half the cables, and works, it's worth a drive. My brother bought the same PSU for $80 on craigslist from a shutdown miner...... it's a $280 PSU right now on newegg!! As far as the video cards go...... Those 2x 580's for 220 would give you some serious graphical horsepower. I would offer up$200 cash and see if he bites! The pair of 7870's for $180 would be pretty strong too though, especially if you could get em for $160 cash. What kind of CPU are you running???? And what kind of PSU do you already have? Also, what is your total budget (realistically)?
  19. Okay, so this is interesting.............. Here is my Firestrike (again, I know it's synthetic, but Firestrike has proven to be a great indicator of real world performance for modern cards). http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2638137 Here is a similar system (slightly slower CPU), with 2x 7970's clocked lower than what my 280x will do... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/777579 Look at the graphics score.... IT'S SCALING 85% !!!!! Here is an i7 3820 running at 4.5GHz!!!!!! Using a single 280x with an overclock... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2664337 And here is that same CPU, at 4.5GHz, with 2 7970's clocked similarly.... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/572887 Guess what??? Because it's so GPU intensive, it STILL SCALES around 85%!!!!!! The physics score of the i7 at 4500MHz is 25% faster than the 1090T at 4050MHz. If we consider that the clock speed is 10% higher it tells us this; In modern GPU intensive titles, CPU will have very little impact on performance.... (ESPECIALLY AT 4K!!!) It also tells me that the i7 in a gaming/physics situation is no more than 15% faster at the same clock speeds, and the combined performance is no more than 10%!!! Sure, these are synthetic tests.... and the i7 wins the battle (mind you I am demonstrating performance data for a 3820, which is a pretty powerful processor at 4.5GHz!!!) but am I the only one shocked by these results????? It's clear now that the 1090T can definitely handle another video card, is it not?? Or am I missing something??? I may now be MORE confused than I was.... It looks like as long as the game is threaded well enough to USE my 6 cores, then it will perform well and not be bottlenecked by the CPU..... I will admit that there are current titles that only use 2 or 3 of my CPU cores (Skyrim, Blacklight), and I see 60-80% GPU usage when this happens..... however, these titles are old now, and newer titles seem to be very multithreaded.
  20. I am going to look for a bargain i7 combo.... like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-3820-3-6-GHz-Quad-Core-CPU-Asus-Sabertooth-X79-TUF-mobo-Combo-/251618769888?pt=CPUs&hash=item3a95a5bbe0 My bro ran that same CPU, and it turbo clocked to 4.4GHz on his setup.... IT WAS A BEAST!!! And that mobo is socket 2011 so I'm a little more future-proofed. I guess the real question is.... what is better; New CPU/motherboard and 240GB+ SSD, and use my existing PSU, 16GB DDR3 1866 RAM set, and 280x OOOORRRRRR Just get my new SSD, and add another 7970/280x and a bigger PSU???? I'm really hoping to run all 4k where possible, and I agree that AA/AF will not be needed at that resolution.....
  21. All over craigaslist and ebay my friend.... Burned ati got a MINT Sapphire 7950 reference card with hynix memory for $100 cash on craigslist from a miner closing up shop.... that card clocked to 1200/1850 after modifying the power limiter to 50%..... The guy had 3 more of those, and 2 Powercolor PCS 7950's he was selling for the same price. I got my 280x on ebay for $125 shipped (which was cheap as hell, even for ebay) Just a lucky late night find.... The seller told me he was selling off all his stuff and the 280x I bought was his last of 4 cards. This won't be going on for much longer I'm sure.... the miners screwed the market up when they caused all the $350 video cards to shoot up to $500+, and now they have screwed it up again for anybody selling used mid-high end cards.... A 7970 is STILL a beast of a card if you ask me, and they are going for peanuts right now.....
  22. Sorry guys, I know I always write narratives..... little too much most of the time.... Okay, most of you (there's not that many of us left ) all know I'm running this old 1090T, and it's no slouch for how old it is, and at a little over 4GHz, it still beats out most stock FX8350's and overclocked FX6300 (which is no bragging rights, it really just tells you that AMD is GOING BACKWARDS on CPU advancements....) None the less, I am considering grabbing another bargain 79**/280* GPU off the used mining market to run in a CF configuration. I'm more concerned with graphic horsepower than anything right now because I am planning to go from a 46" 1080p LED setup, to a 50+" 4k setup.... Seems like this stuff is so cheap now, and I wouldn't be upgrading the display until tax refund/Super Bowl time, so I have a little while to figure this all out. A few concerns: As of now, I'm afraid this overclocked 280x I am running is all this old CPU can handle . As GREAT as crossfire scaling seems to be now days, I'm a little reluctant with my CPU... I understand that Firestrike is a synthetic benchmark, but there is no 7970/280x game play data to be found using my CPU, or even for the FX8350 etc because all reviews are ran on Intel systems for best results now.I have been going through the results DB and looking dual cards, and it looks like the scaling is only about 40-55% on the 1090T for 7970's .... I currently have the HIGHEST recorded Firestrike score for a single 280x on a 1090T CPU (8230 points), so that tells you a few things.... 1)My CPU is definitely making full use of the single GPU. 2) There are not many people running new GPU's on 1090T's, and 3) Firestike is NOT a CPU benchmark AT ALL. There is not a huge set of data for me to compare against either. I did look at some 7970 systems, and there are hundreds and hundreds on there runing my CPU with dual cards, and scoring well, but they are all throwing flags for things like "altered tessellation," or reporting insanely low GPU clock speeds, with insanely high scores, which always tells me someone is running dice or LN2 on some crazy unapproved driver, it makes all the data questionable.... Also, I believe I will need to beef up the power supply, I'm guessing to an 850w+ unit..... I can do this off the used mining market as well for a decent price, or if ANYONE has any good sub $100 PSU's that would handle 2 overclocked 280x's and an overclocked CPU, please let me know. I think everyone here knows by now that I am extremely thrifty and value minded, but there is still that young enthusiast in me that wants top performing equipment..... My MAIN question: Would I benefit more from an upgraded CPU/Mobo (I'm thinking some type of i7 if I'm even going to bother.....I am NOT SKEERED OF USED STUFF ) and holding off on the PSU/additional video card?? Or would getting a 4k display, create such a GPU bound situation on newer games, that the power supply and extra video card would better suit me, regardless of the CPU I am using? I guess one thing to keep in mind, is that I COULD continue to run games at 1080p on high/ultra quality as I am now, but it kind of defeats the purpose ..... The other option for one GPU (maybe?) is to run games in 4k, without AA/AF, which may actually be more appropriate because the resolution is so high, that stepping, especially across a living room, should be VERY MILD.... I'm guessing that those would be my options for the single GPU (not sure on what quality I can run 4k with a 280x yet) The other thing to keep in mind, is that I can only do one or the other (CPU/Mobo upgrade, or GPU/PSU upgrade) so whatever I go with, sticks for a while.... It's a little bit of a damned if I do, damned if I don't scenario, so opinions are DEFINITELY WANTED!!!!! I am even open to going with a used 800w +/- PSU, older i5/i7 that WILL overclock, a decent NEW motherboard(don't like used mobo ) and using my current 16GB 1866 DDR3 kit, and then grabbing one of these local 7950's for $100 to add to the 280x? I'm thinking the dollar breakdown would be something like this.... (keep in mind I AM FOR SURE GOING TO SSD main drive during my next upgrade , but that does not pertain to my graphical performance concerns in this thread). Used CPU/newMobo $300+/-?? 240GB SSD $100+/- probably $400++ for a fairly nice upgrade... OR Used 7950 - 280x $100-150 2x NZXT Kraken water coolers $60 Corsair H50-60 (will this handle both GPU's?) Would it be better to go with the H120 and try to put the CPU, and both GPU's together on the whole loop?? I have very little water cooling knowledge $$$??? Used or new PSU $75-100 240GB SSD $100+/- Probably pull all this off for less than $500. The cooling is just an idea after having heat issues with my current 280x and also really liking the water cooling I have on my CPU right now... I'll be looking for some replies later on while I and play Blacklight Retrobution (btw, this is a free to play game that's absolutely awesome for people who LOVE the unreal engine, and the graphics are pretty good too!)
  23. I'm thinking that I want to throw a kraken on this thing looped through an h50 maybe.... I'm not a big fan of spending money on gpu cooling, but I got the card for so cheap...... though it may be putting a band aid on an already doomed card. I think I'll just ride till it dies, RMA it, and throw some liquid on the replacement. I don't even want to tear it apart again at this point, though I probably need to clean it up a bit to RMA it.
  24. Well, guess that means it's performing as it's supposed to then..... I'll just cross my fingers and keep gaming! Thanks for the help!
  25. Ran Heaven 4.0 at the default "Extreme" setting 1600x900 It DID NOT report the temp... just says 0C (I wish, lol) I did get 49FPS and a score of 1235.... That was with 1175/1750 clocks. I'm keeping them a little lower, with lower voltage until I can verify it's not overheating. How are your scores in that same benchmark???
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