thx for the advice! I am having good results with clockgen, i have some bad ram so i'm not gonna expect too much more than 2300mhz, but thru clockgen, since i can't change vcore, whats a safe number to go up to for a opty 170 on default vcore. I'm thinking 2300 is pretty decent on stock core, or can i go up more without nudging the vcore? I like clockgen because i don't always need to OC to some insane degree (even tho i have the cooling capabilities). Also how do I reset the CMOS, just for backup.. Is it the same as an athlon xp mobo where you move the jumper from the 2nd/3rd pin to the 1st/2nd pin?